John-T-53 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 Awesome, I love it! Congratulations! Yes, we'd love to see videos of the big beast running (and driving!). Are parts other than gaskets made for any of the other big block engines that could be used for the 413? Rings, bearings? Quote
austinsailor Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 You can have pistons made easily, therefore have them made for current production rings. The bearings can be re-babbited if you remove them with care. Timing gears (no chain) might be a challenge. You might not get off the shelf parts, but you certainly can rebuild it. Find me one and I'll show you! Quote
Dodgeb4ya Posted January 13, 2015 Author Report Posted January 13, 2015 Yes you could have the bearing shells re-poured in soft babbit. Way inferior to the factory CPA or CAA tri-metal bearings used in heavy-duty diesel type industrial engines. I have never been able to find anyone to rebuild the bearing shells with like kide of material. The 413 uses unique rod bearings all by them selves too. Also hydraulic lifters. Pistons... Egge could not or did not want to do a set. Cast aluminun is what they would have done. Ross out of cali could do a set for $1250.00 rough cost quote!!!!! I should have said factory quality... reasonably priced parts are not available for these Moly Block engines. I have collected some parts for them over the years. Quote
John-T-53 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 Another option is coating your old parts to mitigate clearance issues if not that bad. HM Elliott in N.Carolina does coatings on pistons and bearings. They have two types of coatings for the skirts - a general dry-film low-friction coating that a few tenths (0.0000") thick, and a "buildable" coating designed to decrease clearance with the cylinder walls. Quote
Dodgeb4ya Posted January 13, 2015 Author Report Posted January 13, 2015 I do know about that spray coating but never followed through on that. A shop recommended it to me. I guess it's used a lot in the racing industry and other industry. 1 Quote
RobertKB Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 Just curious. Did these big Mopar flatheads have babbited bearings? I thought those went out in the late '20's with Chrylser products?? Quote
austinsailor Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 Inserts hVe a coating of babbit. Quote
RobertKB Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 Never really heard of that before. Heard of babbit and heard or inserts but not the two combined. Amazing what you learn on this forum. Quote
Dodgeb4ya Posted January 14, 2015 Author Report Posted January 14, 2015 Just curious. Did these big Mopar flatheads have babbited bearings? I thought those went out in the late '20's with Chrylser products?? All the 218-250 ci Dodge trucks and other MoPar flatheads all use whats called SB bearings for rod and main bearings... AKA a steel shell/ babbitt lined bearing for normal loading. These oddball 413 engines call for special rod bearings... a CPA bearing meaning steel shell, copper-alloy lined, with lead-tin overplate for severe duty loading. This bearing requirement is only on the larger 413 rod beaings which are bigger that the 281/306/331 and 377 Moly Block engines. The 3" main bearing requirement for all Moly Block engines are a steel backed bearing that is copper alloy-lined. Still a heavier duty bearing than softer lighter duty babbitt bearings. You could probably use babbitt in one of these engines- I wouldn't. Quote
RobertKB Posted January 14, 2015 Report Posted January 14, 2015 OK, thanks for the lesson. You learn something everyday here! Quote
Merle Coggins Posted January 14, 2015 Report Posted January 14, 2015 Could you possibly find a diesel engine with the same journal diameter and see how close the fit may be? Maybe there's something out there that's "close enough"? Even as I type that it sounds scary to mix-match engine parts. Merle Quote
Dodgeb4ya Posted January 14, 2015 Author Report Posted January 14, 2015 Merle, I actually have done that looking at bearing books foe inter change possibilities. I'm actully going to be able to build a good one with the two engines I have now. I have been hunting for 30 years for parts for these series engines and come up with little in back up parts for my stash of trucks and parts. I like clearances to be right on and parts as original so no problems later.. Quote
John-T-53 Posted January 16, 2015 Report Posted January 16, 2015 I do know about that spray coating but never followed through on that. A shop recommended it to me. I guess it's used a lot in the racing industry and other industry. I had mine coated with the thin coating on the recommendation of my machinist. Here's some photos. It'll be interesting to see what they look like next time I have it apart (hopefully not in a long time). These are Badger Pistons sourced from VPW. .002" clearance to walls, installed. Quote
Dodgeb4ya Posted January 17, 2015 Author Report Posted January 17, 2015 Was it costly to do the skirts? Quote
ascinder Posted January 17, 2015 Report Posted January 17, 2015 Sooo soooo jealous......... That is one cool find, congratulations! Quote
Frank Elder Posted January 18, 2015 Report Posted January 18, 2015 Was it costly to do the skirts? Every skirt is expensive Bob.....lol. 2 Quote
John-T-53 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Posted January 21, 2015 Was it costly to do the skirts? I can't remember an exact figure, but it didn't break the bank. The bigger issue was the fuss of packaging and sending. Didn't take much time, though, and didn't delay the rebuild as the crank guy was the holdup. Quote
Frank Elder Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 You know what's frustrating....knowing where you want to go but not quite knowing how to go about it. I can type L- head six, chrysler flathead, or any other variation of flathead I can think of.......but the second you try to access the big truck motors such as the 331 or the 413 most of the information you will receive hemis and super stock stuff. Is there other key tags or words to use? Quote
T120 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) Frank, My knowledge is rather limited on the big trucks, but if you're looking for parts check this out... http://www.dodgepilothouseclub.org/know/51-53_parts/51_53.htm it covers those trucks . I do have a Canadian Chrysler shop manual, WM - 4283 that covers maintenance on the 331.35 and 413.16 engines,etc.. Edited February 4, 2015 by Ralph D25cpe Quote
Frank Elder Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 Thanks Ralph, as always you come through! Quote
T120 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) Frank,I had a quick look at the parts manual on that link I copied and I see that it does not cover the larger engines.Sorry about that,as I mentioned the shop manual I have, Chrysler Corporation of Canada ,WM - 4283 does cover those engines,1950 -1953 - with, FP-9 / DH-9 using the 331.35 as well as the FP11 / DH11 using the 413.16.( DH = Dodge , FP = Fargo -eh) .I do have the manual and if I can be of help and send you any info included in the manual let me know and I will be happy to forward it to you. Edited February 4, 2015 by Ralph D25cpe 2 Quote
Frank Elder Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 It was a good read anyway Ralph.....I'm mostly looking for real picures, not drawings, of the exterior of the engines in place or pulled, although a few exploded diagrams would not be amiss..lol. Quote
T120 Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) Frank,You may find something of interest here - http://www.dodgepilothouseclub.org/know/manual/manual.htm truck maintenance manual.I don't have high speed interenet and it my computer is verrrry slooooow ,so I can't really check it out.... 1954 331 cu in V8/VL8....413 cu in Y6/YL6. Edited February 5, 2015 by Ralph D25cpe 1 Quote
Frank Elder Posted February 5, 2015 Report Posted February 5, 2015 More really good stuff! Thanks Ralph. Stroke on a 413 is.......drumroll......5 5/16....yeeeesssh 343 ft lbs of torque at 1500 rpms...171 horse @ 3200 rpms wowser! Quote
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