Brake Cylinder Clamp, Tool C-416

[Bmartin]

Its number one in the picture.  Does anyone know where to find one of these?  So far I have only seen them for a porsche.  If you know of a substitute, that would be helpful as well.  Or maybe you don't need it at all, its first I've seen of it.  I'll be installing new cylinders and shoes on my 1940 Plymouth Coupe. 

 

 

[Dodgeb4ya]

You don't really need to use them if you don't push the brake pedal down with or without the shoes on..

I got this Miller set of them from an old Chrysler dealer in eastern washington many moons ago.

Bob

[captden29]

there is a tool for this. it kind of goes under the spring in the brake shoe hole, and you twist and the spring pops off. most auto parts stores sell it. I just use a big water pump plier and pull it off. a Phillips screwdriver will easily put it back on. capt den

[desoto1939]

I just saw several pairs of these lsited on the EBay. Also any good Auto parts store should beable to get you a set of these.  They are still being used on cars that have drum brakes.  Try a local NAPA or AutoZone or Oreilies

 

Rich HArtung

Desoto1939@aol.com

[Furylee2]

I just bought a set of these on eBay.  I think they were around $12 and free shipping.

Edited February 27, 2014 by Furylee2

[Bmartin]

Thanks for the help. Is this a pretty universal tool or do I need a certain width of the jaw? I found ones on ebay but they were for a Porsche.

[desoto1939]

Brian: You do not need the Posche tools the generic tool willwotk.  Here is one with free shipp for around 12 dollar onthe bay:

 

do a search Wheel Cylinder 2 Spring Steel Claps Brake replacement W82002 on the bay  11.95 and free shipping

 

Rich  hartung

[Plymouthy Adams]

I can honestly say never in my life have I had a need for such a device...now granted if you were storing your car a long period of time in the shop with the drums removed I could maybe vouch for a need..but in normal repair and maintenance...never...

[Niel Hoback]

^{Not only have I never used one of those tools, I have never seen one, nor heard of such a thing. I would probably use them if I had them, but I don't see a need for them.} 

[desoto1939]

I have always used this type of spring tool when doing a brake job when using drum brakes.  I just looked in my Motors Manual and they even show the use of the spring tool.

 

Under this section it states: When necessary to remove brake shoes from a hydraulic system  install a brake cylinder piston clamp before removing the shoes.  Tis prevents the cylinder pistons from being forced out of position and thus prevent brake fluid loss.. They even show two pictures of this being done on the Bendex/lockheed and also on the old Huck Brakes.

 

If you have never had to use the tool I guess you were lucky but I like to make sure that the pistons do not come out of the cylinder.

 

Rich Hartung

Desoto1939@aol.com

[Dodgeb4ya]

The pistons will not come out unless the pedal is pushed down or the boots are not tight on the wheel cylinders. I do brake jobs every week and have never used them even on the old Mopars.

[Don Coatney]

I also have never seen the need to use this tool.

[Bmartin]

Thanks for all the info.  I'm going to hit a few parts stores tomorrow and see if I can find them.  Since I'm new at this, following the manual is the best bet.  If I can't find them, then I'll push forward without them.  Since I'm replacing the cylinders, they won't have any fluid in them to displace the piston.  Interestingly, this tool may have prevented me from having to do the brake job in the first place. 

[Don Coatney]

Thanks for all the info.  I'm going to hit a few parts stores tomorrow and see if I can find them.  Since I'm new at this, following the manual is the best bet.  If I can't find them, then I'll push forward without them.  Since I'm replacing the cylinders, they won't have any fluid in them to displace the piston.  Interestingly, this tool may have prevented me from having to do the brake job in the first place. 

 

  Interestingly, this tool may have prevented me from having to do the brake job in the first place. 

Can you explain that a bit further?

[Bmartin]

When I was trying to do a major adjustment using the DIY method, I was manuevering the shoe around, this misaligned the piston in the cylinder and brake fluid shot out.  At that point I decided to replace the cylinders, shoes, and soft lines.  With the tool, this may have kept the piston in alignment. 

[desoto1939]

Are you replaceing the cylinders just because of the leak that occured because of moving the shoe or are they pitted.  Are you getting NOS cylinders or new China made cylinders?  If you are getting NOS  and I mean the good old stuff not brand newly made stuff then you should be ok. If getting brand new made items I would then suggest that you have the old ones sleeved.  The old items where made better.

 

Do you have bonded or riveted lining.  If riveted you can put the new lining on yourself, it is very easy to do.  I also have the tools to do this and the Star Lining clamp to hold the lining in place on the metal shoe and the tool to pean over the rivets.  If I remember correctly I think you would use the 1162 lining on your car just like what I use on my 39 Desoto. 

 

Rich Hartung

desoto1939@aol.com

[Bmartin]

I purchased everything new from Bernbaum (shoes, Cylinders, soft lines).  I assume they are the China made ones.  The leak was the reason to replace, I've never had luck with rebuild kits so I steer away from those.  I'm not sure the cylinders that were in there were original.  The reason I was messing with them was that I lost pedal and could not figure out why, no leaks found.  So I'm hoping the replacement parts along with the major adjustment get them to come back.  From the other threads I've read, I'll probably be troubleshooting for a while.