jonesmerc Posted January 30, 2014 Report Posted January 30, 2014 Can't figure out if the felt ring is inside the cover or outside. Does it install on the ring of the seal? I replaced it the way it was but I'm thinking its not right. I think the ring on the seal goes inside the cover. HELP Quote
desoto1939 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Posted January 30, 2014 To answere your question we all are going to need more information abut what you are trying to figure out. Where is this felt ring located on the car. So neeed more info and a picture would help. Is this body related, engine related, brake related we can not read your mind. Rich Hartung Desoto1939@aol.com Quote
Niel Hoback Posted January 31, 2014 Report Posted January 31, 2014 My 46 P-15 parts book doesn't show that, but I believe it goes outside the cover directly behind the pulley/vibration damper. It keeps dirt from the seal surface. Quote
Niel Hoback Posted January 31, 2014 Report Posted January 31, 2014 If it were inside the cover it would disintegrate and end up in the oil pick-up screen. Quote
48ply1stcar Posted January 31, 2014 Report Posted January 31, 2014 Hopefully this picture will work when posted. 1 Quote
Don Coatney Posted January 31, 2014 Report Posted January 31, 2014 Hopefully this picture will work when posted. Oil seal.jpg The picture works but it does not show the felt. Quote
40desoto Posted January 31, 2014 Report Posted January 31, 2014 It goes outside.. I was under the impression to help in absorbing oil but Im assuming it probably has better use in keeping dirt out of the seal. Quote
Dodgeb4ya Posted January 31, 2014 Report Posted January 31, 2014 Not all engines require or use the felt dust seal. Only the style Don shows (W/the recessed cup) uses that felt seal. Quote
Dan Hiebert Posted January 31, 2014 Report Posted January 31, 2014 Not all engines require or use the felt dust seal. Only the style Don shows (W/the recessed cup) uses that felt seal. I was wondering about that. Mine doesn't have it. Quote
jonesmerc Posted January 31, 2014 Author Report Posted January 31, 2014 Thanks to all. I have it installed as in the picture above but I still believe the seal is in backward. The seal has a lip and the felt fits perfect. However putting the felt on the seal ring with the felt outside the cover makes me think the seal is installed backward. The open area of the seal is toward the front of the engine. I'm thinking the open area of the seal should "face the oil" or face rear. Maybe I have the felt right and the seal wrong. Pat Quote
Don Coatney Posted January 31, 2014 Report Posted January 31, 2014 The spring in the seal always goes towards the oil it is sealing. Quote
Dodgeb4ya Posted January 31, 2014 Report Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) If the style of timing cover seal has a metal oil slinger ring on one side of the seal.... that side faces inward-to the inside of the engine. It's purpose is to deflect excessive oil from the oil seal lip. The rubber lip of the seal (and spring as Don noted) always faces the oil side of the engine meaning it faces towards the inside of the engine. The felt does not go around the extended flared metal lip of this type of seal! Edited January 31, 2014 by Dodgeb4ya Quote
jonesmerc Posted February 1, 2014 Author Report Posted February 1, 2014 Thanks again. I'm now in the process of installing another new front seal. I knew the seal was backward when I installed it but that felt ring confused me. This time no felt ring. Quote
jsturner Posted February 2, 2014 Report Posted February 2, 2014 (edited) I have a 251 and didn't use the felt. My damper hub doesn't have the cup shape for it. The seal can be a little tricky. I got mine in backwards the first time. That metal lip on the seal housing threw me off because if I installed the seal the way the rubber lip wanted it to be, the metal lip hit the timing gear. So I thought what the heck, and installed it with the metal lip facing out. Massive oil leak, of course. Don't do this: I think someone screwed up on the application of this seal. The metal lip is supposed to work with the oil slinger in the 331 hemi, and maybe a different flathead than mine. When I bought another front seal to fix my oil leak, it had the same metal lip. I ended up carefully cutting the lip off with a hacksaw blade and installing it with the former metal lip side inward. This put the seal lip facing the right way and eliminated the contact between the metal lip and timing sprocket. I also sleeved my damper hub, and now have zero oil leaks from the front of my engine. (The rear is another story ) Edited July 10, 2017 by jsturner Changed image host from Photobucket to Imgur Quote
Dodgeb4ya Posted February 2, 2014 Report Posted February 2, 2014 Excellent work! Yes those slingers can interfere on slightly caved in covers and different timing chain and gear sets and covers too.. The slinger as best I can figure is really for later 50's engines. Quote
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