t-5 gm trans

[dctodd1313]

i found a t5 gm borg warner trans from a s-10 or 3rd gen cam. 82-93 with a 14 spline. i have a 47 dodge 230 i want to put the trans behind. my question is will this work or do i need to find a different one?

[pflaming]

I'm about to do the same thing with 218 '54 Plymouth. The GM T 5 is a bolt in for mine and I think the same for the 40's models. Will be watching the answers. I'm going to put a 2:32 rear axle to complete the deal. 

[Don Coatney]

Is your car a fluid drive? If so do you plan on keeping the fluid drive? Do plan on keeping the bench seat? Have you ever done a transmission upgrade before?

[dctodd1313]

i just have the motor Don,i have it half way disassembled,and found the trans online. i dont have any seats in car now. the car is a 47 plymouth 2dr sedan.i plan on swapping out the stock rear and driveshaft.

[Robert Horne]

I believe the 1982 to 1987 have the mechanical speedometer.

The transmissions start with the # 1352- followed by 114 or 115 or 116, etc.

There are many different gearing combos.

[Don Coatney]

I'm about to do the same thing with 218 '54 Plymouth. The GM T 5 is a bolt in for mine and I think the same for the 40's models. Will be watching the answers. I'm going to put a 2:32 rear axle to complete the deal. 

Paul;

I am sure you ran these numbers through the speed calculator link I sent you on the web page of Tod Fitch. With the 2.32:1 rear gear it looks like you will be spinning your engine at 2000 RPM's to hit 70 MPG taking into consideration a 30% overdrive. To do this wou will need to find some 5.5 X 10 inch wheels and tires to give a mounted tire diameter of 21.11 inches. Not sure how your car will look with tires that small?

 

If you missed the link here it is again.

 

http://www.ply33.com/Misc/speed

 

Let me know how the T-5 bolt in install goes.

[Robert Horne]

Paul;

I am sure you ran these numbers through the speed calculator link I sent you on the web page of Tod Fitch. With the 2.32:1 rear gear it looks like you will be spinning your engine at 2000 RPM's to hit 70 MPG taking into consideration a 30% overdrive. To do this wou will need to find some 5.5 X 10 inch wheels and tires to give a mounted tire diameter of 21.11 inches. Not sure how your car will look with tires that small?

 

If you missed the link here it is again.

 

http://www.ply33.com/Misc/speed

 

Let me know how the T-5 bolt in install goes.

Hey Don C, how about a 12 inch wheel,(the white one, garden tractor)?...

[Don Coatney]

i just have the motor Don,i have it half way disassembled,and found the trans online. i dont have any seats in car now. the car is a 47 plymouth 2dr sedan.i plan on swapping out the stock rear and driveshaft.

What bell housing and flywheel do you plan on using? Have you done any measuring as far as shifter location etc?

[Don Coatney]

Hey Don C, how about a 12 inch wheel,(the white one, garden tractor)?...

That looks like close to the size required

[Robert Horne]

I'm about to do the same thing with 218 '54 Plymouth. The GM T 5 is a bolt in for mine and I think the same for the 40's models. Will be watching the answers. I'm going to put a 2:32 rear axle to complete the deal.

The S10 T5 have a 4th gear of 1.00,,,,and the 5th gear can have a 0.63, o.68, 0.78, 0.85, etc.

[Robert Horne]

That looks like close to the size required

My friend's pontoon boat trailer has 10inch wheels, 5 lug also.

No room for brakes, but will bolt on.

[pflaming]

Oh use guys can be rough!     But i AM reading very closely and will do the research for the result I want. 

[Plymouthy Adams]

who ya gonna call.....GHOSTBUSTERS...a PM often get the truth to post later...

[dctodd1313]

ill say.there is no interior in the car at all or anything at all. i think the 5spds from the rangers (tk) fit better with bench seats from a few posts ive seen.mustang t-5s to long . thought id ask about the s-10 becuz i saw it at a decent price and its close by my town. 

[Robert Horne]

The S 10 shifter is a little more forward than the Ranger TK5, which makes the S 10 trans

easier to fit if you have a bench seat.

I compensated for this with my TK5 install, by putting more curve in the shifter, and I

added a few more inch to the Ford shifter. I have a bench seat from a Chevy Suburban, 3rd row seat.....

[Robert Horne]

Oh use guys can be rough!     But i AM reading very closely and will do the research for the result I want.

I believe you would be very happy with any 5 speed trans, compared to our old 3 speeds.

I tried a 3.9 rear gear, and then a 3.7 rear gear, and may try a 3.5 rear gear later.

So far the 3.7 gear does great on level and slight upgrades. 55mph at 1700 rpm, 5 gear.......

[Andydodge]

The S10 version of the T5 has the sought out forward mounted shifter( which allows you to use your bench seat, if that's not a concern then you can use any T5, ie Camaro and /or Mustang units which have the rear mounted shifter), apart from the various gear ratios there are also the 2 types of speedo drive, cable and electronic.........there are a couple of guys doing a gearbox adaptor for the T5, all use a machined flat plate with the mopar bellhousing bolt pattern and the T5 gearbox bolt pattern, they use both normal hex headed bolts and countersunk allen(socket or cap screw ) headed bolts and also include a machined oilite/sintered bronze pilot bushing for the centre of the stock flywheel.......and they include a clutch plate with the correct offset to work with the standard mopar style pressure plate.....I was going to use the setup that Paul Curtis offers for my 230/T5 into the 41 Plymouth before I ran out of funds and sold the lot  .........there is plenty of info around regarding using the T5 on the web plus places like the HAMB have some good general info regarding chosing which T5.........plus there are a few guys here like Don Coatney  who have adapted the T5 using their own ingenuity and also others who have used the Mazda/Ford  and other 5 speeds.............one issue that using a T5 in a mopar is not found in say a Frod or Cheb is that you loose your handbrake and then need to install a diff with this feature on the rear brakes, which if they aren't compatible with the front brakes means you may have to consider front disc brakes and of course the resulting upgrade to the master cylinder and booster ...........this is how I was going to do mine here in Oz........and is only my 3 cents worth..........regards, andyd     

[Robert Horne]

Andy, good point about loosing the handbrake.

I used a 95 Ford Ranger rearend, with the brake cables, etc.

Still used my original handbrake handle to attach to the Ranger brake cables.

I had already installed a big Ford master cylinder on my original brake pedals.

[DJ194950]

My friend's pontoon boat trailer has 10inch wheels, 5 lug also.

No room for brakes, but will bolt on.

 

 

[alsancle]

The early mechanical speedo T5s are much sought after by Hot Rod guys.   I believe those are pre-98.  

[Frank Elder]

Is your car a fluid drive? If so do you plan on keeping the fluid drive?

I don't get these 2 questions Don...........both men said they are swapping to T5 transmissions.......how would you retain a fluid drive and install a T5????

[Don Coatney]

Fluid drive is simply a fluid coupling and does not care what transmission it is driving. I believe the factory offered an overdrive transmission with fluid drive.If I recall correctly blueskies installed an overdrive from a fluid drive car in his Plymouth and had to replace the input shaft with a shorter one.

[Robert Horne]

ill say.there is no interior in the car at all or anything at all. i think the 5spds from the rangers (tk) fit better with bench seats from a few posts ive seen.mustang t-5s to long . thought id ask about the s-10 becuz i saw it at a decent price and its close by my town.

Do you know the numbers that are on the S10 transmission?

That should tell what gear ratios, and year, you would be dealing with.

[DJ194950]

Fluid drive is simply a fluid coupling and does not care what transmission it is driving. I believe the factory offered an overdrive transmission with fluid drive.If I recall correctly blueskies installed an overdrive from a fluid drive car in his Plymouth and had to replace the input shaft with a shorter one.

Sorry for the post I misread Don's post.

Doug

Edited October 27, 2013 by DJ194950

[murfman1967]

I'll get some pics tomorrow, but I'm using a T-5 from a 95 mustang in my 53 Suburban with a bench seat. I had to notch the seat frame and bottom spring and mane a 90 degree shifter, but it fits and shifts nicely. I went with the trans because it's as "World Class" version that has internal upgrades and is stronger. I made an adapter plate that is 1/2" thick and the input shaft length was perfect. I made an oilite bushing for the crank and used the stock

Flywheel and pressure plate with a clutch disk from a S-10 pickup. Still

Using the bell housing motor mounts and stock

Clutch pedal and linkage.