TheMoose Posted October 16, 2011 Report Posted October 16, 2011 Popped the lid off my oil filter canister to try & see what filter is in there but it was empty! Can anyone tell me the part number of the filter/Gasket & where I can find one? Quote
Don Coatney Posted October 16, 2011 Report Posted October 16, 2011 If you have not yet done so do a forum search for oil filters as this topic has been cussed and discussed many times. 1 Quote
Merle Coggins Posted October 16, 2011 Report Posted October 16, 2011 That looks the same as my Deluxe Filter which takes a "JC" element. The Deluxe "JC" crosses to a Wix 51011, Napa 1011, or Baldwin JC405. It's a sock type filter which is a TIGHT fit into the canister, and should come with a cover gasket. Merle Quote
TheMoose Posted October 16, 2011 Author Report Posted October 16, 2011 Thanks Merle, I'll pic up one tomorrow! Don, I did a search but as you say it has been discussed to death so there was a ton of posts to wade thru to try to figure out what is what. Some times search is good & sometime there is just too much to sift thru. Quote
Rusty O'Toole Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 If you give me model make and year I can look it up. Quote
TheMoose Posted October 17, 2011 Author Report Posted October 17, 2011 If you give me model make and year I can look it up. it's a 53 pilot house with a 218, where are you looking it up? Neither my owners manual or service manual had a part number for the oil filter. Quote
TodFitch Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 it's a 53 pilot house with a 218, where are you looking it up? Neither my owners manual or service manual had a part number for the oil filter. There is also a factory parts book. But you have your answer in this thread already: That looks the same as my Deluxe Filter which takes a "JC" element. The Deluxe "JC" crosses to a Wix 51011, Napa 1011, or Baldwin JC405. It's a sock type filter which is a TIGHT fit into the canister, and should come with a cover gasket. Merle Quote
Don Coatney Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 I see your engine has the elusive and sought after "P" head. Others thought the "P" was for Plymouth. Now I wonder if it is for Pilothouse. Quote
TheMoose Posted October 17, 2011 Author Report Posted October 17, 2011 There is also a factory parts book. Of course there is! something else to purchase! I see your engine has the elusive and sought after "P" head. Others thought the "P" was for Plymouth. Now I wonder if it is for Pilothouse. "P" Head? Can you elaborate? Quote
Don Coatney Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 "P" Head? Can you elaborate? Follow this link. The linked thread did get out of hand a bit. http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/showthread.php?t=20973&highlight=head Quote
ggdad1951 Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 since that thread came from the car side, I hadn't seen it. From an engineering standpoint, my guess is the "P" is a rev level they wanted to stand out, or a foundry location, nothing to do with which vehicle it went on. That just makes no sense they'd make different heads for different vehicles when the engines were all the same. Quote
B1B Keven Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 I have a 'P' head on the P20 motor in my truck. Quote
Reg Evans Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Just to cloud the issue a little more I have a DU head on my 35 Dodge model DU sedan. Quote
ggdad1951 Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 that might not cloud it...maybe back when they cared what things were the DID ID the heads/engines with a letter code to the vehicle type, and at some point stopped when it was realized it was costing them money to do so? My guess if that was so it was an insert in the tooling for the head they could change out for each production run per the "type" ordered. Just makes interchangability not as easy when the heads were really the same except for a letter code. Quote
TheMoose Posted October 17, 2011 Author Report Posted October 17, 2011 OK I got the NAPA 1011 filter, and Merle to say it's a tight fit is an understatement!! This thing is going to have to be forced in to the canister, if it will fit over the center mounting hole & if I can get it in I don't know how it's coming out! This can't be right. The lid on the canister does say JC filter. Quote
Merle Coggins Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Yes, I know what you mean. It was reported at one time that Wix acknowledged that their filter for that application was being made slightly too big and supposedly has been corrected. However there seems to still be a lot of stock out there that is oversized. The last one that I did was quite a struggle. I recommend getting it oily so that it'll slide in easier, then keep forcing it in. The opening at the top of the filter is another issue as it doesn't seem to want to go over the center tube. After a lot of cussing and fighting I finally got it in. Since then I found some Baldwin filters to try, but I haven't tried one yet to know how they fit. Merle Quote
49roadster Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 I just bought a '48 B1B in July. I changed the filter and yea thats the one. I rolled it on my bench till it was tighter and a little taller. I was able to get it part way into the canister. I then gently used a dead blow hammer around and around the top till it was in. I now was higher than the canister. I put the top on and screwed it down. This forced it down. Then removed the cover tucked the slight overlapping edge in, put the gasket on and it worked. If I had not read of others having this problem I would have thought it would never fit. Quote
Dan Babb Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Good luck with that filter...I tried & tried on my truck and couldn't get it to fit. I finally found one store that had the WIX filter in a wix box. Dropped right in. I don't think you'll get that lucky though. There isn't a part number in the system that tells you if it's the original wix one or the crappy one they released when they outsourced production to India ( I think that's what happened). Quote
TheMoose Posted October 17, 2011 Author Report Posted October 17, 2011 So I'm guessing the small end with the wire sticking up goes to the top? Because the only way I can see to get it out is to tie some twine around that wire to pull it back out! That one was a NAPA filter, I'll see if I can locate a WIX & if it's not the right size I'll make them try again!. Quote
Rusty O'Toole Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) it's a 53 pilot house with a 218, where are you looking it up? Neither my owners manual or service manual had a part number for the oil filter. I have in my hands a "Fast Moving CHRYCO All Make Parts" catalog from 1963. CHRYCO is the Canadian counterpart of MoPar. It shows 1951-53 Dodge and Fargo trucks with replaceable oil filters, take CHRYCO 1821 552. This cross references to Purolator P-70, AC P-316, FRAM C-232 or C-134A (Cel-Pac) CH-15PL or C-233PL (Filtronic), Kralinator K-770, LT-770 or L-770, Wix PC-70 (can type) or CW-70 (sock type) Walker Deluxe RC-62 or WD-62. Your local parts stores should be able to get one of those or cross reference to a good new number. I can't see you drawing a blank with all those chances. Why not try your local Chrysler dealer for laughs? They may be able to get you a genuine Chrysler filter and their prices on most parts are competitive with local parts stores. Incidentally it shows the same filter for 1946-55 Plymouth 6 & 8,plus P1 P2 and P30 6 cylinder models to 59, certain models of Dodge trucks to 63 (last year of book), certain Dodge 6 and 8 1946 to 59 including US built 58-59 E1 & D1 6 and 58 E2 & D2 8. 57-58 Chrysler and 58 Canadian built DeSoto S2 and all DeSoto 52 -57 8 and 58 Imperial. So it was a popular filter on Chrysler products for many years. The only non Chrysler I see using it is 46 -63 Willys. Others may use it after 63 but that is as far as my book goes. Edited October 17, 2011 by Rusty O'Toole Quote
TodFitch Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) I have in my hands a "Fast Moving CHRYCO All Make Parts" catalog from 1963. CHRYCO is the Canadian counterpart of MoPar.It shows 1951-53 Dodge and Fargo trucks with replaceable oil filters' date=' take CHRYCO 1821 552. This cross references to Purolator P-70, AC P-316, FRAM C-232 or C-134A (Cel-Pac) CH-15PL or C-233PL (Filtronic), Kralinator K-770, LT-770 or L-770, Wix PC-70 (can type) or CW-70 (sock type) Walker Deluxe RC-62 or WD-62. Your local parts stores should be able to get one of those or cross reference to a good new number. I can't see you drawing a blank with all those chances. Why not try your local Chrysler dealer for laughs? They may be able to get you a genuine Chrysler filter and their prices on most parts are competitive with local parts stores.[/quote'] On the car side, the "Deluxe Heavy Duty" filter (part type code 10-26-06) has a part number of 677534. In the oil filter element area (part type code 10-26-08) shows that filter 677534 uses element 676575. Entering part 676576 into the NAPA Online parts look up with the "interchange" box checked leads you to NAPA part FIL 1011 with a nifty little picture to help you decide if it looks right. On the other hand, entering "1821 552" into the same search turns up a totally different filter with a NAPA number of FIL 1071. that happens to be the one for regular oil filter (part 677536 or the 860821 oil filter "kit"). Edited October 17, 2011 by TodFitch Quote
oldmopar Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 My truck has a newer chrysler industrial engine type 30 (230) and has a aftermarket filter canister but as oil filters were not standard equipment if they were installed by a dealer or owner they could have a different filter. I have seen several different types of filter housing use different size filters. The filter in my canister was a napa 1004 when I got the truck but as I had a sock filter on a shelf had it for few years it did fit in well I guess it was one of the old style that fit correctly. To add it o the head confusion my newer engine date code in the early 60's has a K on the head Quote
Dan Babb Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 In a thread I posted a while ago, I have pictures of the napa filter and the correct filter side by side. Easy to see the big difference. http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/showthread.php?t=18354&highlight=filter Quote
B1B Keven Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 Update. I bought the Napa 1002 filter today and it fits. A little persuasion. I had to use the top and handle to get her down far enough, but I didn't have to roll it around on the bench and then whack it with a hammer. PS. My truck has the "Deluxe Prod. Corp. Laporte ID" canister. "Model JC filter-use JC cartridge JCUS-30 gasket". Quote
TodFitch Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 Update. I bought the Napa 1002 filter today and it fits. A little persuasion. I had to use the top and handle to get her down far enough, but I didn't have to roll it around on the bench and then whack it with a hammer. PS. My truck has the "Deluxe Prod. Corp. Laporte ID" canister. "Model JC filter-use JC cartridge JCUS-30 gasket". Thanks for the update. I've added the NAPA FIL 1002 as a possible choice to my database entry for the "sock type" filter element. Quote
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