other engine swaps?

[41/53dodges]

hello everybody

i was sitting down thinkin about my engine swap that i need (still gotta get up there merle) and wondering if anybody has tried any old industrial engines like hercules or off-the-wall stuff like that. this is going in the 41' 1.5T, so more power may be helpful, especially low-end. i have plans to haul heavy stuff with this thing once i have it all done, so a little more than 90 HP would be nice.

P.S.

i dont like v-8s, just sixes.

[Plymouthy Adams]

the field is wide open for six cylinder swaps..however in the flathead range the Mopar was proabably the better deal..as for slant six..just not my idea of a really pulling truck engine..V-power I do like but if you set on inliner...check out some of the diesel sngines found in trucks, early Mercedes etc if brand is not a problem..other big six that is a dependable setup and easily maintained but again, off brand is the Ford 300..it will actually out perform the v8 302 as far as torque and lugging power goes..

but getting back to all out torque...maybe looking for a 265 mopar would be best choice all around as compatability of bolt up would be less a problem..even the 251 is quite capable..its all in the gearing...get the flathead, adapter, go with the miser 833 tranny that is 3 speed with OD and if you need power..stay in third, if you want to cruise..kick her into OD..

[greg g]

they are a bit long but you cant go wrong with the 4.0 jeep motor. Later versions were 192 HP with FI. Clifford makes a bunch of after market intakes if you want to go back to carburetors, Lotsa of transmission choices. easily plumbed for dual exhaust the stock maifolds are basically 3 into 1 with a collector to one pipe. cheap and plentiful, and hammer reliable. Guess the basic design came out in 1960 Over at Rambler, so the got most of the bugs worked out of them. Plus guys are forever yanking them out of off road jeeps in favor of bowtoe motors so they pile up in peoples garages. V6 dakota running gear comes to mind also.

And don't over look Toyota and Nissan straight 6 offerings also. A turbo Supra engine with a 5 speed would make a nice sleeper. One could also look for a Jaguar or BMW long 6 if you want to go a bit upscale.

PS. I have a Jeep Cherokee with good running engine and auto OD trans, rear end available too. But its a bit far away.

[41/53dodges]

i would much rather use something older, like a tractor engine or something of that sort. i am keeping the old 7.whatever rear end, and would prefer to use the stock 4 speed truck trans. i more-or-less want a engine with with few mods and great low end power, such as a tractor engine that would still rev to 3000.

p.s.

i prefer flatheads over OHV

[Dave72dt]

You're going to have trouble finding tractor engines that will mate up to any bellhousing or adapters. Most had their bellhousing and trans built into a huge chunk of cast iron and had their own unique bolt pattern.

The Ford 300 six or the Chev 292 six were both used as industrials and would be your best bet for torque, availability in a gas engine. You may want to look at some of the diesels. There has to be some Cummins in a wrecked Dodge truck available.

[PatS....]

A friend at work a few yrs ago put a 3 cylinder Perkins diesel into his 1963 Chebby 4X4 one ton.

What a beast that thing was but he built it to haul and it sure did do that. Hauled a 28 foot 5th wheel flatdeck like it wasn't even there. Lots of power and sounds great!

The Brits send troops and equipment over to train at Suffield Base just south of here. They don't take the trucks back they just sell them here so quite a few kicking around after all these yrs

[greg g]

Sounds like you need ot find a Chrysler 265 industrial out of a Massey Ferguson Combine.

[Don Coatney]

Find a Custom tractor. This engine would bolt right in as it is a Mopar.

[HanksB3B]

Wow! Can that do wheelies?

Hank

[41/53dodges]

Sounds like you need ot find a Chrysler 265 industrial out of a Massey Ferguson Combine.

you better not mean massey harris!

if you saw my previous threads you would know why.

[greg g]

Guess I am not making a connection.

[austinsailor]

A 331 ci six (or bigger) out of a big truck or industrial application would add to power. It's 5" longer, but would probably be no more work than a tractor motor.

[41/53dodges]

Guess I am not making a connection.

about a month ago, i had a massey harris combine engine lined up for the truck, i even did all the work to get it from the owner. finally, when attempting to remove the engine, i pulled the manifolds and spark plugs to find the fact that it had sat full of water for the last god knows how long, so i am now kinda angry at that whole project.

[HanksB3B]

Slowly I turned....

Somehow your story reminded me of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pQii1L8fGk

Hank

[greg g]

AH HA! once bitten twice shy.

[lugnut123]

A friend of mine put a 6 cyl perkins out of a combine ina chevy 1 ton service truck he had. It would haul a heck of a load. He had to browny for an overdrive so it would make high way speeds. It made good milage to for all the wieght it was hauling.

[41/53dodges]

Sounds like you need ot find a Chrysler 265 industrial out of a Massey Ferguson Combine.

are there any easily-defined features of these engines? i know where a few are sitting up north, but i know nothing about them or the 265's

[greg g]

25 inch long heads, Engine numbers starting with I or IND (It could be a IND16, IND 16A, IND32 or IND 33)

with a stroke of 4 3/4 inches

(4 1/2 would be 251)

[wayfarer]

A couple thoughts...the Jag 4.2 was mentioned. They have lots of low speed torque and they are really cheap. Now, you really should look into the Cummins 4BT. There are lots of them available in service trucks. Check out this project over on the Hamb: http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=355535

[NiftyFifty]

someone offered me a 4.2L inline 6 and a 5 speed for $400.....is this a chry engine? Can't say as I remb that motor from my mechanic days, but we didn't have many jeep customers....

Probably won't gain much HP from a industrial engine, maybe some torque but they were set up with such different gearing they didn't need a lot of ponies to do a lot, vs a trans and rear diff.

[greg g]

The 4.2 is the American Motors straight 6 that the 4.0 was developed from. 258 cubic inches, used in Ramblers and Jeeps. Basically the same external diminsions. I think the 4L got destroked.

[jakenoklahoma]

Toyota inline six cylinders are torqey engines, long long life span if cared for properly (I had one go to 300+ K) and are Chebby based from the old stovebolt, so they are pretty simple to work on, esp the carb models. The later TC models can have head gasket problems, but still a decent engine. IHC makes a small 2.5 liter diesel that would be cool in our trucks, but they are hard to find.

[41/53dodges]

okay, so how would a slant six work out? i know where a few of those are in combines, so how would they bolt up to the bell housing and mountings on the front?

[Plymouthy Adams]

the Jag six is huge..would think this be quite an undertaking...I agree with Greg that the more sensible approach to a modern inline six would be taken from the Jeep lineup

[wayfarer]

okay, so how would a slant six work out? i know where a few of those are in combines, so how would they bolt up to the bell housing and mountings on the front?

The 'leaning tower of power' consumes alot of real estate. A 318-360 is usually an easier swap.

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