P-12 Tommy Posted September 19, 2009 Report Posted September 19, 2009 Difference in application or supplier I presume. Tom Quote
michael.warshaw Posted September 19, 2009 Author Report Posted September 19, 2009 i have a orange fram unit is that oem? Quote
greg g Posted September 19, 2009 Report Posted September 19, 2009 Oil filters were not OEM. Nearly all were dealer installed. They were a dealerships way to make some extra money by installing and upcharging the customer. Kinda like the 1940's equivilent of today's extended warranty. But at least with the oil filter you were actually getting something. With this information you can probably extrapolate why thy might be different colors. Quote
michael.warshaw Posted September 19, 2009 Author Report Posted September 19, 2009 i havea fram unit was that origanal? Quote
Captain Neon Posted September 19, 2009 Report Posted September 19, 2009 No, Fram was not the brand supplied by MoPar. While I do not know who actually manufactured oil filters (oil housings) for MoPar in the 1940s, they were black and OEM had a sticker (sold repro. by Neil Riddle) that stated that it was a MoPar part. If you are looking for a 100 point Barrett-Jackson no-sale then you will need to locate a MoPar branded unit, but otherwise, the Fram would work just fine. However, with a Fram unit you will have to do a little legwork to find the right size filter element. No less legwork, however, than looking for a MoPar supplied oil filter unit. The basic OEM oil filters (oil housings) were a throw-away unit that connected directly to the oil lines. No one makes them any more. Most people swapped them out back in the day after rounding off their first set of brass nuts and having to replace the oil lines. They bought whatever their local auto parts shop had available on the shelf, whether it was Fram, Purolator, Wix, AC Delco, or ... Quote
michael.warshaw Posted September 19, 2009 Author Report Posted September 19, 2009 IS THIS ONE ON EBAY CORECT FOR THE CAR? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1930-1959-PLYMOUTH-6-OIL-FILTER-CANISTER-NOS-MOPAR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem439a3b05fcQQitemZ290350368252QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories Quote
Arthur1947 Posted September 19, 2009 Report Posted September 19, 2009 IS THIS ONE ON EBAY CORECT FOR THE CAR? BOOKMARK THIS PAGE http://collectorsautosupply.com/ THEN CLICK ON PARTS AND SUPPLIES THEN CLICK ON 1.5 CHECK A PART NUMBER THEN BOOKMARK THE PAGE ENTER A PART NUMBER FOR THE ITEM IN QUESTION That's a great search tool. Best. ARTHUR Quote
michael.warshaw Posted September 19, 2009 Author Report Posted September 19, 2009 Whats the art numbers? Quote
Captain Neon Posted September 19, 2009 Report Posted September 19, 2009 The original part numbers can be acquired by referencing a parts manual. Then you can have another assurance that the parts you are purchasing are correct MoPar parts. Quote
michael.warshaw Posted September 19, 2009 Author Report Posted September 19, 2009 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1930-1959-PLYMOUTH-6-OIL-FILTER-CANISTER-NOS-MOPAR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem439a3b05fcQQitemZ290350368252QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories is this the right one for my car? Quote
Don Coatney Posted September 19, 2009 Report Posted September 19, 2009 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1930-1959-PLYMOUTH-6-OIL-FILTER-CANISTER-NOS-MOPAR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem439a3b05fcQQitemZ290350368252QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessoriesis this the right one for my car? The seller says it is. The box says it is. I say it is not because your car did not come with one from the factory. Who do you believe? Last chance on the fender chrome. Do not ignore me! Man up and give me an answer one way or the other. Quote
michael.warshaw Posted September 19, 2009 Author Report Posted September 19, 2009 s it possible that the unit on my car a orange fram unt, could be from when the car was purchased? Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted September 19, 2009 Report Posted September 19, 2009 oh yeah...go for it..at 31.00 including shipping for a one time use oil filter that is going to need replacing in about 3000 miles if you drive the car or annually if you do not..(oil setting un ciruclated in a humid enviroment is as bad if not worse for your car)...what a deal.. Don...if the kid don't come through on your chrome...PM me please... Quote
michael.warshaw Posted September 20, 2009 Author Report Posted September 20, 2009 fair enough anyone have a extra oem, housng unit for sale ? Quote
greg g Posted September 20, 2009 Report Posted September 20, 2009 (edited) Did you not understand the program of dealer sourced and installed optional equipment that was posted before. If you line up 15 P15's chances are there might be 6 or 8 different colors, different makers and different styles. And a couple without filter. All correct. Some have bolts holding on the top on, some have wing nuts, some have the line going to the top of the housing, some to the upper side. Some have brass drain fixtures on them some don't, some have smooth tops some, have a pie crust edge. And yes some of the sealed cansiters were made by MOPAR, but some were made by after marker producers also. But they are no longer made and only available through e bay sellers and perhaps some other byzantine sources. With these engines/cars virtually anything is possible. I have personally witnessed MOPAR Full Flow oil filter decals on ByPass style filters on cars that have take 1st place at POC national meets. If you want to spend 30 + dollars plus shipping for a disposable piece, it is certainly your choice. But you got to ask yourself why would a previous owner of your car remove a filter with an inexpensive and easily replaceable part for a different system. Would you??? By the way my filter is a tan canister with a red orange top which is correct for any P15, so is a blue AC one, an orange Fram, Black ones, Red ones, White ones too throw in a couple different yellow brands and that should cover it unless of course I forgot to mention the light and dark gree ones. So what ever you decide is correct, is. Even a total lack of oil filter. But chances are somebody walking by will tell you "That's not Right!" "Only P15's assembled in Los Angeles and sold on the Pacific coast used that style of oil filter, and I can see by the serial number yours was made in Evansville, Illinois." (or is it Indiana) The only thing incorrect is a Full Flow style as were used on Chyslers and Desotos. Do we need to discuss the several different styles of mounting brackets and clamps that were used and how they were attached to the engine, and or which galley plug is correct to plumb the filter from, or how high the canister should fit within the clamp or bracket? Because I have witnessed as many different solutions and presentations as I have seen cars. Can anybody think of anything else pertaining to the External properties of oil filters? Let not start on the filter elements yet. Edited September 20, 2009 by greg g Quote
michael.warshaw Posted September 20, 2009 Author Report Posted September 20, 2009 you know your ****, ill take a pic and show it to you, you let me knoe if it looks like it makes sense thanks mr greg. Quote
desoto1939 Posted September 20, 2009 Report Posted September 20, 2009 This is a correct cannister throwaway filter for the mopar vehiles. It has the correct part numebr and the correct years on the outside of the box. This is a factory item and can be used on your car and point s will not be taken off for judging. The item can get a point off becasue of chips inthe paint and for small flaws but whn an item it 50-60 years old this happens and you would have to repaint to have a 100 point unit. If I were juusding this at an AACA event there would be no point taken off for authenticity. This is a correct unit. If you again are looking to have an AACA or POC authentic car then this is the oitem that you work for you. If you are going to have a driver then this wil lalso work so why spend the extra moeny for a through away oil filter. Get the canister style and paint in intht esame color combination with the same decal and you will also be ok and same a lot of money and the inner filter can be changed. An AACA or POC jusge can not take apart your car or filter element. They are not even aloud to craw under the car to look at the under carrage. they have to go down an one knee and look under the car. Again Mike the big question that you need to anser to the group and again I have asked this before what are you planning to do with the car? For in order for the member to anser some of your questions we need to know the answer to this question. I have written several times when you have asked a question but you still will not awnser this basic question. We will help you but you NEED to HELP US also. Please tell us or some of the guys will not respond back to you since they feel they are wasting their time. Rich HArtung Desoto1939@aol.com Quote
55 Fargo Posted September 20, 2009 Report Posted September 20, 2009 Here is my oil filter, Black Body, Red Lid, not sure if it is a correct color scheme, nor do I care, I like, I picked it, I painted it....... Quote
greg g Posted September 20, 2009 Report Posted September 20, 2009 Did I forget the black ones with the red lids............darn!!!!!!!!!! Quote
BobT-47P15 Posted September 20, 2009 Report Posted September 20, 2009 Ahhh.....back to a previous question.....I think the draft tube was silver to match the engine. Looks about like color of the engine in the Parts Manual picture. Sorta hard to tell exactly. Look in the upper L corner of the pic.....#50 appears to be an oil filter.... and it looks to be all black. They also show this one in the Parts Manual. They say the one above is non cleanable. They also show, the black filter and call it "cleanable" - as it uses the drop in style cartridge. Most or all new P15s came with NO oil filter from the factory. They were added by the dealership. I have seen cars in the salvage yard with no filter ever added. And it depended on whether the dealership used one supplied by Mopar, or purchased from some other source. Quote
BobT-47P15 Posted September 20, 2009 Report Posted September 20, 2009 Just for fun one day at a salvage yard, I took pictures of these different oil filters installed on early 50s Mopar flathead engines. As you can see, there were various styles and brands used. Quote
greg g Posted September 20, 2009 Report Posted September 20, 2009 Hey Bob, how are you adjusting to the retirement deal??? You haven't been around much assuming you're having too much fun. Quote
BobT-47P15 Posted September 20, 2009 Report Posted September 20, 2009 The filter on my 49 P 15 coupe is black. Quote
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.