Downsizing

[Norm's Coupe]

So you are giving away two hundred bucks worth of spare parts with the car. That brings the real value of the package up to about $3700.00 You might get a buyer at that price.

Don, suggest you check the NADA book value I posted in the first post of this thread. Just like JohnS I said the car is for sale, not giving it away. If someone wants a $3700 coupe they can get that at the junk yard. Same goes for all those extra parts. If you can find and buy all those parts for $200 you'd better scoop them up right away. The Old Cars Weekly price guide will also give you a similar price that the NADA book gives.

That said, a 4 door sedan is usually listed for about 20 to 30% less value in the books. With that in mind and using you prices, would you sell your P15 for $3700 less 20 or 30%? I doubt it. If you would, when can I come down and pick it up?? Then I'll put it up for sale for a nice profit.

Now that we got Don's question out of the way, the following is for

FOR ALL WHO ARE CONCERNED:

I realize from checking the logs on my website that a lot of people visit the P15 pages on a regular basis each day. Even after the coupe is sold those pages and all information on those pages will not be removed. They will stay there for anyone who wants to view them at any time, just as they have been since about 1999.

[Norm's Coupe]

In my quest for finding a little more modern car, this will be one model that I will look for. Has a nice stance and body style to it.

[Merle Coggins]

Which model are you refering to?

[Young Ed]

I'm not sure Norm could handle either one.

[55 Fargo]

Don' date=' suggest you check the NADA book value I posted in the first post of this thread. Just like JohnS I said the car is for sale, not giving it away. If someone wants a $3700 coupe they can get that at the junk yard. Same goes for all those extra parts. If you can find and buy all those parts for $200 you'd better scoop them up right away. The Old Cars Weekly price guide will also give you a similar price that the NADA book gives.

That said, a 4 door sedan is usually listed for about 20 to 30% less value in the books. With that in mind and using you prices, would you sell your P15 for $3700 less 20 or 30%? I doubt it. If you would, when can I come down and pick it up?? Then I'll put it up for sale for a nice profit.

Now that we got Don's question out of the way, the following is for

FOR ALL WHO ARE CONCERNED:

I realize from checking the logs on my website that a lot of people visit the P15 pages on a regular basis each day. Even after the coupe is sold those pages and all information on those pages will not be removed. They will stay there for anyone who wants to view them at any time, just as they have been since about 1999.[/quote']

Norm, you are the right "Ballpark" with the $12750.00, for a #2 car, I would think the high retail price of $16900.00 would be for a more of a #1 car, possibly a #1 car could even fetch a higher price tag, but #1 cars are very rare,flawless specimens that are 100% OEM down to every detail.

#2 cars are also fantastic flawless cars with very little wear, these cars are like yours driven very little, #1 cars usually aren't driven.

That leaves # 3 cars, which are the majority of cars you see at small local cruise/shows, and a lot of cars on this forum, there very nice cars, a lot of times there very good amateur fix-ups, the rougher driver cars could be a #4 car, parts cars #5 and # 6 cars.

I would think the lower retail price would be for lower end driver cars, needing some work, paint, maybe interiors, chrome, etc, but they are good running mechanical cars that are on the road, in very complete form, just worn a little here and there.

A lot of the nice cars are most likely somehwere between the low end retail to the average retail price of $12750, so a lot of cars that are fixed up and are driver, but in real nice shape are probably in the $8500 to $10500 range, and possibly 10 to 15 % more.

I am not a car values expert, just read some info in Hemmings, Old Car Price Guides, just re-telling what the experts state.

Although my car needs a paint job, interior, bumpers chromed, etc, I would not sell her for $3700, would still need up to about $5000.00 which I would never get. My 47 Chrysler Coupe is valued very similar to the P15 by NADA,,,,,,,,Fred

[Norm's Coupe]

Which model are you refering to?

Merle, I will leave that to yours and others imagination.

FRED,

It's hard to find a decent car like ours today for around $12,000 or so. To buy a coupe like mine, then do what I've done with it adds up fast if you have that work done by a shop. For example, my coupe has all new interior in it. I had quotes before I did it from a shop for between $3,000 and $4,000 to have it done. To have an engine completely rebuilt by a shop will run between $2,500 to $4,000 depending on where you live. Add the disc brakes and other things and the original cost of the car and you are right up to between $10,000 and $13,000 easy. This one already has the above with the work already done. So..........that's what makes mine worth the $12,500. That's the Average NADA value for a 20 footer, not a show car or #2 car. Mine fits that category.

[55 Fargo]

Merle' date=' I will leave that to yours and others imagination.

FRED,

It's hard to find a decent car like ours today for around $12,000 or so. To buy a coupe like mine, then do what I've done with it adds up fast if you have that work done by a shop. For example, my coupe has all new interior in it. I had quotes before I did it from a shop for between $3,000 and $4,000 to have it done. To have an engine completely rebuilt by a shop will run between $2,500 to $4,000 depending on where you live. Add the disc brakes and other things and the original cost of the car and you are right up to between $10,000 and $13,000 easy. This one already has the above with the work already done. So..........that's what makes mine worth the $12,500. That's the Average NADA value for a 20 footer, not a show car or #2 car. Mine fits that category.[/quote']

So very true Norm, Doesn't take long for the costs to add up, before you know it can be up to 20 grand in no time.

Worst part is, a lot of times we can't recoupe all the expenses so we sell for the best price we can get.

You have a very nice car Norm, hope you get top dollar for it, other wise just keep it, hey make her your daily driver all year when it's not snowing......Fred

[Normspeed]

That's a beauty Norm. Trouble is, with the B.J. situation, the price is sky high on those babies.

[Young Ed]

Here you go Norm we will trade you straight up for your coupe.

[Don Coatney]

I'm not sure Norm could handle either one.

I AM sure Norm could not handle either one:cool:

[Don Coatney]

Here you go Norm we will trade you straight up for your coupe.

As you know Ed, Norm will not trade for your pictured car as it is a 4 door. He seems to think 4 door cars have no value. But he sure enjoyed the ride I gave him in my 4 door!

[Young Ed]

As you know Ed, Norm will not trade for your pictured car as it is a 4 door. He seems to think 4 door cars have no value. But he sure enjoyed the ride I gave him in my 4 door!

Thats too bad Don. The 2 little old ladies who owned the car before us didn't drive it and Norm would be perfect to pick up where they left off.

[John Mulders]

I AM sure Norm could not handle either one:cool:

But maybe he is willing to try

[Norm's Coupe]

Ed,

That's a nice looking car. But..........Don is "partially" right. It's not that I dislike more door cars, but I just prefer the 2 door cars. It's not about value, it's about preference. I could have bought a 4 door 65 Dodge about 3 years ago for about $1,500 at a local swap meet that was in fairly decent shape. It was even the same color as the first new car I bought (a 2 door sedan 65 Coronet), but passed because it was a 4 door. Otherwise I would have bought it on the spot.

[knuckleharley]

>>at least I'll have my garage back once I complete the sales and buying the replacement.<<

Ok,splain to me what the big deal is with having the garage back? Is letting a car sit outside some sort of crime? ALL of my running and driving cars sit outside. Especially the new car junk like my 2007 Nissan Altima. So what if they get wet in the rain and dirty? You can always wash them. So what if the paint gets a little faded from the sun? That's why they sell sandpaper and paint.

Don't get me wrong. Once I get the 32 coupe finished and on the road this spring,I will keep it parked inside the shop at night to keep people from screwing with it or stealing it. Same with my 33 Plymouth coupe with the 6 carb DeSoto hemi. Since they are already in the shop,no net loss off room. Besides,I will probably be selling the 32 Ford at the end of the summer and will get that amount of room freed up when I do. The 33 Plymouth will only get sold at my estate sale,and it will be a daily driver.

I understand about the wife part. Let her keep her new car junk in the garage if she wants and it brings peace to the family.

I keep my good stuff,like my 32 Ford coupe,33 Plymouth coupe,33 Dodge sedan,38 Ford humpback tudor,34 Ford pickup,and 42 Dodge business coupe projects inside the shop so I can work on them and to keep the fairly irreplaceable stuff from rusting. Not to mention keep people from stealing parts from them.

>> That will be a big plus for me too. I just don't feel it makes sense to have two cars that don't get driven much and taking up space, and I don't want to build a bigger garage just to put a car in I don't use much. <<

Ok,so get rid of the van and drive the Plymouth more. What's wrong with driving the P-15? What can the van do that the Plymouth can't? The P-15's are fairly modern cars that ride and drive good,and they have good brakes and a roomy trunk to haul groceries and other stuff in. They have big steering wheels and don't need power steering. These cars are meant to be driven,not parked away in a garage all year gathering dust.

You can put ac in one if you really want,and you can even put a auto trans in it if it's that important to you. Not that big of a deal.

>> In the mean time I have lots of time to find a suitable replacement for both. <<

Wanna buy a 58 Rambler stationwagon with the original machine shop engine rebuilt that has ps,pb,factory air,and tinted windows? It even has a overdrive trans and 6 cylinder OHV engine for economy,and a factory optional trailer towing package. I added the optional oil filter when I put the rebuilt engine back in it. For some odd reason that seems to be the only option this car didn't have other than the automatic transmission. It even has the optional 2 brl carb.

>> I will also be looking at older cars if they are in the street rod or custom class with modern updates to them. <<

Ok,that eliminates the 58 Rambler. Damn shame I don't have my 42 Dodge business coupe done yet,or I'd sell you my P-15 coupe with the Camaro frame clip,engine,trans,and rear end. Hell,I might sell it to you anyhow. Make a offer.

It lacks a hell of a lot of being a show car,though. Has all new tinted glass and rubber now,but I still haven't done the body work and paint,or put the new chrome on it.

>> I can always put the coupe outside and throw a cover over it until it's sold if that happens.<<

Yikes! You would put that coupe outside so a nothing special modern mini van can sit inside? Really? I honestly don't get it. 10 years from now that mini-van is going to be worth whatever scrap plastic sells for,and the P-15 will be worth just as much as it is now. Maybe even more.

[knuckleharley]

In my quest for finding a little more modern car' date=' this will be one model that I will look for. Has a nice stance and body style to it.[/quote']

Personally,I think her stance is a little stiff. I'm sure I could loosen her up a bit,though.

[Don Coatney]

That's a beauty Norm. Trouble is, with the B.J. situation, the price is sky high on those babies.

Er Normspeed;

Not real sure if I understand exactly what you are saying. Does a B.J. drive the price up:confused:

[JerseyHarold]

Ed' date='

That's a nice looking car. But..........Don is "partially" right. It's not that I dislike more door cars, but I just prefer the 2 door cars. It's not about value, it's about preference. I could have bought a 4 door 65 Dodge about 3 years ago for about $1,500 at a local swap meet that was in fairly decent shape. It was even the same color as the first new car I bought (a 2 door sedan 65 Coronet), but passed because it was a 4 door. Otherwise I would have bought it on the spot.[/quote']

Norm,

The first car I ever drove was our '65 Coronet 440 4-door sedan....medium turquoise metallic....basically the Dodge version of the beige '64 Plymouth that Young Ed posted.

Now if one of those Coronets came along at the right price, I'd be upsizing in a hurry!

Harold

[Normspeed]

Er Normspeed;

Not real sure if I understand exactly what you are saying. Does a B.J. drive the price up:confused:

Barrett Jackson. Jeez Don.

[Norm's Coupe]

knuckleharley,

You'd have to live in Wisconsin for only one winter and then you too would want to keep your everyday driver in the garage. It's gets old standing outside cleaning snow and ice off the car every time you want to drive it, especially when the temps are around 0 with even colder wind chills.

Harold,

My 65 Coronet 2 door had the slant six in it. As mentioned, I've always like 2 door cars and will stick with them. Like you said the 65 Plymouth is basically the same car except for the grille and tail lights, so I wouldn't mind having that in place of the Dodge, as long as it was a 2 door. Not concerned about being a V8 or slant six, but do want an automatic, even though my original 65 Dodge had the stick.

Had a older (guys age) new car salesman tell me once I should not buy a car if it wasn't what I really wanted. Said when you buy the car you want the first time, then you are happier and will keep it longer. There's a lot of wisdom in that statement. So...until I find the car that really trips my trigger (not necessarily a 65 Cornet 2 door sedan), I won't buy or trade for any.

But.........I would trade depending on the car and it's condition. Ed's car just isn't one that I really want.

[claybill]

OK 44 posts about wives , sentimentality, weather and selling something you dont want to sell........

am i missing something? NORM, I NEVER SAW A PIC OR MENTION OF CONDITION. did i miss a thread!!!???

bill

[Norm's Coupe]

OK 44 posts about wives , sentimentality, weather and selling something you dont want to sell........

am i missing something? NORM, I NEVER SAW A PIC OR MENTION OF CONDITION. did i miss a thread!!!???

bill

Bill,

There are lots of pictures and info on my car online. I just assumed those interested would look at my profile with the picture. Also there is a link in my profile and in my signature line to everything one wants to know about my coupe, with pictures of before and after. Just take that link if you want to see everything. Lots more information there than I could post here.

[knuckleharley]

knuckleharley' date='

You'd have to live in Wisconsin for only one winter and then you too would want to keep your everyday driver in the garage. It's gets old standing outside cleaning snow and ice off the car every time you want to drive it, especially when the temps are around 0 with even colder wind chills.

[/quote']

I'm sure you are right,but what is wrong with a carport cover in front of your garage? That would keep the snow off your modern van. Roughly 600 bucks and it's yours. Or at least that's what they sell for around here.

[Norm's Coupe]

I'm sure you are right,but what is wrong with a carport cover in front of your garage? That would keep the snow off your modern van. Roughly 600 bucks and it's yours. Or at least that's what they sell for around here.

I think that's a great idea too. However, I already thought of a carport several years ago. But........the city won't give a permit for a carport. Said they are against codes today. When I mentioned there are a few close by me, they said that's because they were built before the new code was made. So.....a carport is out of the question here. You guys who live out a little have it made when it comes to stuff like that. Most of the time you can even build things without a permit. But.......not around here. If you do, they'll just make you take it down, after they fine you.

You even need a permit for a small storage shed today around here. Luckily mine was built before the new code, so I was able to use a wood floor in it, and didn't need a permit back then. My neighbor built one about 4 or 5 years ago. When I ask him why he was pouring a concrete slab for it, he said the city made him. Wouldn't let him build it with a wooden floor. Had to be concrete or he couldn't build the shed.

[Captain Neon]

I read some where, maybe it was here, how a guy beat his city's carport ordinance by saying it was firewood and the tarp was its cover. Pretty clever.