Read it and start writing...

[James_Douglas]

http://www.hemmings.com/articles/epa.html

[62rebelP23]

those $50 brush paint jobs are looking better all the time. the Brits even developed a method where they use the all-purpose Wagner power painter... i am currently trying to find a used one on the cheap myself.

[Plymouthy Adams]

I am very much surprised that today I can still walk in and buy paint off the shelf..soon will be a time that will come to a screaching halt..then you can see astronomical prices on a paint job..

Then again..the improvements made in the water borne paint may be the hobbist's salvation...

If worse comes to worse..there is the standby over the counter Rustoleum, Red Devil and such...

[Young Ed]

Tim I heard 2012 is the last for off the shelf auto paint.

[62rebelP23]

the VOC issue has been with us for a while now; several local bodyshops have gone under instead of trying to keep up with regs. i can't afford to pay bodyshop prices for a paintjob anyway, so doing it myself means doing it on the cheap. heck; i can't justify a $3k paintjob on a $800 car..... unless i'm going to run it across the auction block at Scottsdale. there seems to be plenty of THAT already.

[Plymouthy Adams]

somewhere down the road I will have to experiment with spraying a Rustoleum enamel top coat ..I know the fisheye eliminator, reducer and hardner is compatable..but thus far I have only mixed and shot black on the underbody and inner fenders etc.....I roll the rustoleum rustymetal primer..man is that the way to do it..no taping off..no overspray...save that labor for the final lacquer primer prior to topcoat...

[62rebelP23]

Tim, you sound like the man who knows. i'll be asking you questions all along!

[martybose]

As some of you know, my day job is working in a commercial shipyard. As such, we tend to be painting rather large objects that can take literally hundreds of gallons of paints, and they are all done outdoors. We actually have to maintain logs of how much VOC we are releasing weekly.

How do we do it, you ask? It's simple; airless spraying. We use air powered pumps that output paint at several hundred pounds of pressure, and use special guns with no air connections. There is almost no airbourne paint, so we can get away with just tarping over a vessel (which can get a bit involved; imagine tarping over an LCU that is sitting on dry land about 10 feet off of the ground!)

Granted, the cleanup is a bear; you have to be very meticulous with the pumps, lines and sprayguns, particularly when you're shooting a catilyzed 2 part epoxy that will fire off in 3 hours, and you have several thousand square feet to cover with 15 mils of wet thickness, but it can be done without sags by a good crew, who will get all of the equipment cleaned up before disaster strikes.

I honestly don't know if there are personal versions of this technology, but it sounds like there might be a market for it soon!

Marty

[Frank Blackstone]

spray gun. Only when they pry it from my cold ,dead multi-colored hand.

[Olddaddy]

Back around 1980 I bought a Wagner airless paint sprayer. It was a little pump on an electric motor with a hopper on top. I painted houses with it while I was in school to make ends meet. When it came time to paint my VW van I picked up a tip for the gun that was fine enough for acrylic enamel automotive paint. I two toned the van, white and gray out in the yard over a weekend. The thing looked great, nice and shiny and stayed that way for years afterwards. The van is gone now, but I still have that little spray rig. I might try it again on something.

[PatS....]

Do they just want control of us or is there really THAT many people painting their own cars to actually cause an environmental meltdown if it's left to continue?

They have outlawed smoking in OUTDOOR patio's here, but you can stand one foot out the front door and smoke. You can let out a huge fart in the outdoor patio. But don't smoke!!!

They just want control. (I'm a non-smoker)

[Don Coatney]

You can let out a huge fart in the outdoor patio.

Here we go. Is there a device that actually measures the volume of expelled flatuance? What exactly is the difference between a huge release and a not so huge release. Both have the same effect. Is it sort of like being a little pregenant:confused: :D

[Plymouthy Adams]

large or small fart is directly proportional to the body expelling the gas...Don, any gas you pass would be considered a major release...in the case of a smaller framed person, audio volume can be a factor in determining a major release also..in the case of the SBD..the amount of people in vicinity seeking relief would be the measuring factor.

[Don Coatney]

Don, any gas you pass would be considered a major release....

I have noticed that when I am farting around in the garage Lisa does not come out very often:eek:

[PatS....]

What exactly is the difference between a huge release and a not so huge release. :confused: :D

According to Buddy Hackett, anything that causes someone nearby to say "Holy crap, what was THAT?" is huge. All others are inconsequential.

So, you see, it IS a scientific term.

[Reg Evans]

I have noticed that when I am farting around in the garage Lisa does not come out very often:eek:

Geez Don....I hope you have an electric water heater out there in that garage.

[Plymouthy Adams]

I know he has a refrigerator in his shop..maybe he stores them in there..under "cold cuts"

ok ok..I'll sit out next three posts..

[Mr. Belvedere]

With the constant errosion of personal freedoms thru legislation for the "greater good" the government will have to hire most of us just to keep tabs on one another. Those of you from Canada, or anywhere else should be O.K. the

"rules" environmental or otherwise only apply to U.S. citizens.

[James_Douglas]

I would suggest that everyone stop making jokes on this on and start writing and calling.

Hi James,

here's the EPA doc:

http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/area/fr17se07b.pdf

To quote a response I got on this topic from someone on another forum:

I see it says:

''The only exceptions are priming small areas, or performing spot

repairs with an air brush.'' (page 11)

and

''Air brush means a hand-held airatomized spray gun intended for spot

repair and graphic arts work with a paint cup capacity of no more

than 1.0 fluid ounce (30 cc).'' (page 24)

and

''Spot repair means the repair of the finish on motor vehicles,

mobile equipment, or associated parts or components that is less

than 1 square foot in area'' (page 25)

Since the proposed regulations cover 'Particulate Matter' - paint

dust to you & me, I agree that my earlier comment was wrong: This

regulation seeks to cover all 'airbone' coatings, no matter what

solvent [if any].

Scary Stuff

[bobby horne]

If a person was a vegetarian, their expelled gas would be organic and not harmful to the atmosphere, and would not be subject to goverment pollution regulations.

[Plymouthy Adams]

animals occur in nature also..if we were not meant to eat little animals why were they made out of meat? now if you were to eat coal or drink crude oil any bypass products would then be under federal regulation...AISI

[Norm's Coupe]

If a person was a vegetarian, their expelled gas would be organic and not harmful to the atmosphere, and would not be subject to goverment pollution regulations.

Bobby, that may be true today, but give em time. After all, they come up with all this stuff because they are bored and need to make work for their self. Then they sit down and dream up something to look busy.

James,

I realize some people like to paint their own cars at home. However, many of us don't want to, so thats why we can joke about it. All I use, or ever will use is an aerosol can, and not many of them, and then only outdoors.

Actually, it's probably not a bad thing with the new paints on the market anyway. Many people don't follow instructions on the can, or even read them. That's a bad thing because todays paints are actually worse to breathe than the old paints. Even worse than the old lead paints, if you read the labels.

[PatS....]

I would suggest that everyone stop making jokes on this on and start writing and calling.

Hi James,

here's the EPA doc:

http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/area/fr17se07b.pdf

To quote a response I got on this topic from someone on another forum:

I see it says:

''The only exceptions are priming small areas, or performing spot

repairs with an air brush.'' (page 11)

and

''Air brush means a hand-held airatomized spray gun intended for spot

repair and graphic arts work with a paint cup capacity of no more

than 1.0 fluid ounce (30 cc).'' (page 24)

and

''Spot repair means the repair of the finish on motor vehicles,

mobile equipment, or associated parts or components that is less

than 1 square foot in area'' (page 25)

Since the proposed regulations cover 'Particulate Matter' - paint

dust to you & me, I agree that my earlier comment was wrong: This

regulation seeks to cover all 'airbone' coatings, no matter what

solvent [if any].

Scary Stuff

Without a sense of humor, all is lost. Chill a bit:D

[Norm's Coupe]

Without a sense of humor, all is lost. Chill a bit:D

Think of it this way. It's our "Tax" dollars at work that pays for these people to make these rules.

[PatS....]

Think of it this way. It's our "Tax" dollars at work that pays for these people to make these rules.

Norm, that in itself is funny in a very sad sort of way. They are using the environment as an excuse to take away the freedom to paint our cars. They are using global warming to as an excuse to take away other freedoms, they are using the war on terror to take away yet more freedoms. And we sit back and take it...dry.

Without a sense of humour, I'll be loading my guns. And for a Canadian, That's saying alot.