Carb linkage dilemma

[Reg Evans]

I've got the engine in and running but no way to operate the throttle. None of the stock linkage I have around here will work with the 56 Plymouth manifold and 2 bbl carb.

I guess I'm going to have to go with a cable setup and wondered if anyone here has done this. I'm gonna have to go from the gas pedal to the carb. To open the throttle the linkage has to be pulled back and up at the same time.

I've painted myself in a corner. HELP !!!!!

[greg g]

Hey reg you pics are comng up real big and too close. can you post one brom a bit further back? Whee does the linkage connect, drivers side or pass side and does it pull toward the fender or toward the firewall??? Aren't there some truck linkages that address a similar situation?

[Reg Evans]

OK Greg...here's one from back a ways passenger side. To open the throttle the linkage will have to pull towards the firewall and up a little.

[Young Ed]

Reg possibly a silly question but could you turn the carb 180 so it would need to be pushed? Hurry up and get this solved so my 2bbl install will be easy

[Reg Evans]

That's the way I had it first but it's very tight in there next to the head. Wouldn't a cable only be able to pull? Too flexible to push?

[Young Ed]

I agree Reg a cable probably wouldn't push too well. Here's a pic of the factory setup that may help a little. Sadly the linkage is hidden behind the carb but you get somewhat of an idea. And your carb looks like its different then this one too.

[Reg Evans]

Is that your engine Ed? I've got an arm and a leg I'm not using that much.

[Young Ed]

Sadly its not. I tried to buy the intake off it but the guy wouldn't separate it. That engine was in East somewhere I think the carolinas. Ebay auction with an opening bid of 150 and it ended with no bids. I offered him that much just for the manifolds if he would pull them but no sale He relisted and someone eventually bought it. I did eventually buy a 2bbl and I think I have a carb that matches that one in the pic. However like you-no air cleaner or linkage.

[greg g]

Well, I am stupified. That carb sure sit low. Wonder is a phenolic spacer would rais it up and give you a littl more room of mechanical push pull wit the carb spun around??? In it surrent positon, can you snake a street rod type cable around the on the fire wall to a anchor bracket that attaches to the rear carb studs?? Take a look at Pete's sight regarding using a lokar cable.

http://www.50plymouth.com/04-eng/eng.html

[Reg Evans]

Yeah....I tried calling Summit in Reno yesterday but the guy couldn't picture what I was talking about. It's about a 2 hour drive and it's snowing on Donner summit so I won't be going over there anytime soon.

I looked at Pete's site yesterday but for some reason ( I'm a dope ) couldn't find his section on the carb linkage. His carbs are turned 90 degrees to mine so that setup won't work. I guess I could have a piece made that raised it up and turned it 90 degrees.

[Reg Evans]

HEY !!!!

Maybe this Rube Goldberg stack of adapters would work.

They would raise it up high enough for the linkage to clear the head and might just work with my stock linkage. They are two different styles of a 1 to 2 barrel adapter. The only drawback is the narrowing for the 1 barrel. It might just get me by until I could get something made. Thanks for the...raising it up idea Greg !!!

[blueskies]

Reg-

The cable setup I used was very easy...

I used a Lokar cable, pulled directly from the bottom of the gas pedal. Not sure how the pedal works on your car, but on the '50, the cable fits like it was made for the pedal. I made the little bracket that holds the cable housing, and bolted it to the floor.

At the other end, I found a cable bracket that I had laying around and mounted it to the base of one of the carbs, and ran the cable to the linkage setup on the Edmunds intake.

I think you could use a cable to pull the linkage on your carb the way it is, you would just have to build a bracket to hold the cable at the orientation and angle you want it.

Pete

[Young Ed]

Reg I would think the cable would work with curves in it as long as they aren't too sudden. Maybe a bracket on the head at a 45degree angle to the carb. That would split the bend before and after the bracket.

[BeBop138]

Blueskies, nice set up for the cable---how long is the cable and do you have a part#....Thanks

[greg g]

Reg, can I get a piece of the gasket commission????? IS there enough meat on the risers to hog out the restriction? OR you can put on one of thoseToronado fuel swirley things in between the adapters and get like 80 miles to the gallon and 70 more Horsepower.

Besides Rube is a good buddy of mine. I have always admired his work. Got an extra cat, parrot in a cage, fan and old boot I can send along if you need them

[blueskies]

Blueskies, nice set up for the cable---how long is the cable and do you have a part#....Thanks

I don't have a part number, but I think the cable was either 30" or 36". I cut it down as it was a bit too long...

Ordered it on-line from Lokar.

Pete

[Reg Evans]

Hey Ed or anyone else. What does the steel line from the auto choke attach to?

I agree Reg a cable probably wouldn't push too well. Here's a pic of the factory setup that may help a little. Sadly the linkage is hidden behind the carb but you get somewhat of an idea. And your carb looks like its different then this one too.

[mackster]

Hey Ed or anyone else. What does the steel line from the auto choke attach to?

Shouldn't it attached t othe exhaust so that as the car heats up it will allow the choke to open?

[Fireball]

Good to see Petes innovative and easy solution. Do I see some transmission levers used in the setup Pete?

Possible solution for the original question could be just raising the last cable bracket so that it pulls in an downward angle

[Plymouthy Adams]

Thanks for the pics Pete..nice looking cable connections for sure..

[48mirage]

Hey Ed or anyone else. What does the steel line from the auto choke attach to?

Starting in at least '54 there was a tap on the exhaust manifold that the choke tube connected to. It is a slip fitting and inside the manifold the tube goes all of the way through and there is a plate covering it on the bottom again I believe to add more heat. You can see where the tube is on the manifold in this picture.

As far as somebody asking about the "tornado" item. I found this in the intake for the '54. I don't use it and still have it on my desk if anybody wants it.

As far as 2 barrells I built an adaptor and mounted a Holley 94 from a '56 ford on my '49 Coronet with the '54 Plymouth intake and exhaust manifold. For linkage I only had to make rod adjustments to the standard setup.

[blueskies]

Good to see Petes innovative and easy solution. Do I see some transmission levers used in the setup Pete?

No transmission levers... I bought the linkage levers from Langdon's Stovebolt Six. The linkage kit came with the levers and the rod that runs through the intake tabs.

Thanks for the pics Pete..nice looking cable connections for sure..

It was very easy to use the cable, and it got rid of all the slop that was in the old linkage connections...

Pete