Clutch torque shaft bearings

[Bryce Mcclintock]

Hi guys ,while ive got engine out I checked over the clutch linkages i found the bearings from the clutch side of the torque shaft pivot are gone ? No big deal to replace but my question is there apears there is nothing to hold them in other than the ball pivot when its bolted in place, the chassis side has a spring retainer but there seems to be no groove to take any sort of retainer on the clutch side . Could they have worn that much they fell out ?or is there another sort of retainer im missing ?  . This car had sat for 20 years and only drove it a couple times before i realised i needed to pull engine but looking at pivot ball they have been missing quiet some time . My manual doesn't depict this part . The car is a 52 Plymouth cranbrook standard 3 speed but i also see from another post the torque shaft i have was only used up to 51 ? This is a New Zealand new car sent from Canada and assembled here and so its right hand drive if that makes a difference to parts used as i know the gear linkages are slightly different as well 

[ptwothree]

When those bearings wear the linkage gets sloppy.  With 4 new bearings, no retainer clip is used on the clutch side as the new parts will keep enough tension on the linkage to hold it all together.  On my '52, that cross shaft is cast iron...the '51 is aluminum.  There are other changes they made for '52.

[Sniper]

I looked in my US parts manual, FWIW.  there is a retainer spring on the frame side for those bushings, nothing on the trans side. 

[Bryce Mcclintock]

Thanks that clears it up they must have just worn enough to  fall out thanks again 

[Dodgeb4ya]

The clip for the Torque Shaft...

[JerseyHarold]

5 hours ago, Dodgeb4ya said:

The clip for the Torque Shaft...

Does that mean the torque shaft clip isn't needed?  I don't recall seeing one in my present '52 or a few others I've had.

[Andydodge]

Dunno if this helps at all but here in Oz the Oz Valiant used the exact same bushings that fitted around a spherical ball end on the Oz Valiant clutch linkage but were made of white nylon, the exact same size & shape of the original 1/2 spherical diecast bushings used in my original 1940 Dodge........they maybe the same as that used on USA Valiants & other mopars............andyd   

[Dodgeb4ya]

On 9/27/2021 at 5:10 PM, JerseyHarold said:

Does that mean the torque shaft clip isn't needed?  I don't recall seeing one in my present '52 or a few others I've had.

I cannot answer that for a 52.

I know the clutch linksge is supposedly an improved version and is slightly different.

I have a 52 Belvedere I restored a long time ago but don't remember if it has the spring clip.

If there is a machined groove for it in the torque shaft I would say yes it needs it.

The parts books  do not specifically list parts for 1952 models...1951 and 52 mechanical parts are listed as same on many parts....or not listed at all.

Edited April 1, 2023 by Dodgeb4ya

[Bryce Mcclintock]

My 52 has the spring clip on the chassis side but not clutch side there is a grove for clip on chassis side but not on clutch side so henceforth my original question it must just be held in when its all bolted up and because of the ball shape those bearing cant come out untill they are that worn out they fall out in my case ?

[Dodgeb4ya]

Only the one spring clip is used.

[sidevalvepete]

 

My right hand drive 38 Dodge D9 has similar setup. The split cone bushings are mounted on the ball anchor point bolted to the bell housing,  then the torque shaft is pushed on, holding the bushings in place. Then repeat for the chassis side before bolting the pivot ball anchor in place. Then insert the spring clip. This stops any sideways movement on either side. Grease well and you are good to go