Oil pan front or rear?

[Boody]

I have a 1952 dodge panel truck, I got it with a bad 218 motor and a 3 speed manual  transmission. I recently  picked up a 1953 plymouth  218 engine and 3 speed manual transmission. After reading many topics  in the forum I realized  the deep part if the oil pan is at the rear of the engine. The motor in the truck the deep part was in the front. Will it fit or can the oil pan be changed ? Any suggestions?

Thanks Dave

[JBNeal]

Oil pans, etc are interchangeable for front and rear sump engines...gotta have the front sump for steering + axle clearance on the B-series

[billrigsby]

37 minutes ago, JBNeal said:

Oil pans, etc are interchangeable for front and rear sump engines...gotta have the front sump for steering + axle clearance on the B-series

 

On ALL? B Series, this is the original B1D engine coming out, rear sump?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Boody]

Dont know if the engine in my truck  was original  but it was a Plymouth  218. It was in tough shape. 

[Merle Coggins]

8 hours ago, billrigsby said:

 

On ALL? B Series, this is the original B1D engine coming out, rear sump?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you absolutely sure that is the original engine? That truck should have a front sump pan. I suspect someone had swapped engines at some point in it's past. 

[billrigsby]

15 minutes ago, Merle Coggins said:

 

Are you absolutely sure that is the original engine? That truck should have a front sump pan. I suspect someone had swapped engines at some point in it's past. 

 

Hmmm, it had the correct engineering code, but the block was shot and could not be used.

[ggdad1951]

FEF had the wrong pan originally...it worked on the farm...the axle just put the needed relief areas in it one dent at a time with the needed brazing to fix the resultant cracks.

[JBNeal]

Having a correct engineering code does not necessarily mean the truck has its original engine...

a build card ultimately verifies the originality of a truck's engine...

build cards can also verify what kind of engine the truck had originally if it has a car engine in it

[Boody]

So if I find the right pan do I need a sump also or can my sump be used or modified  in some way?

[Merle Coggins]

Couldn’t you use the pan and pickup tube from your original engine? 

[Boody]

PplMy friend scrapped the motor he didn't think we'd need it anymore and he's not sure if he kept the pan. I guess the panel truck  is a B4B-108

[maddmaxx1949]

On 12/8/2020 at 6:29 PM, Boody said:

So if I find the right pan do I need a sump also or can my sump be used or modified  in some way?

Yes you will also need a front facing sump. it goes in the same hole but angles out towards the front of the pan instead of the rear. I just did this same swap (just opposite front to rear and all it took was a swapped pan and sump and the engine fit right in for my application. I don't believe all B series trucks have a front sump. I think '39 through '46  trucks had rear sumps and I know the '53 PW I have all original is also rear sump. I want to go out on a limb here and say front sump limited to some of the smaller B-series trucks. The'49 B-1b (218) i have is front and like i said the '53 PW (230) is rear.

 

Not sure about modifying the sump I'm sure if you could weld a tube and lengthen it then bend to the proper angles it could be done, but much easier to find the right one in my opinion.

[Boody]

Thanks for the info. It seems like every time I take a step  or two forward I take one backwards.  Just my luck. 

[maddmaxx1949]

At least you are looking into it before hand. I had mine 99% in before i realized the oil pan was sitting right on the tie rod. had to take it all back out, swap pans, reinstall. That was a long day....

[Boody]

Now I need to find a front sump pan and pickup . Hopefully  I can locate one.

[ggdad1951]

19 hours ago, Boody said:

Now I need to find a front sump pan and pickup . Hopefully  I can locate one.

hit up the normal suspects (VPW, DCM, etc.)

[Boody]

I live in Rhode Island I'll try some local  places . Then try the classifieds. Not sure what VPW is?

[billrigsby]

Sounds like I might be in the same boat, I know I have two or three oil pans and probably three or four strainers I'm hoping something there is correct and usable.

 

I'd be curious to see side by side pictures of the strainers though to see just what the difference is?

[Merle Coggins]

11 hours ago, Boody said:

 Not sure what VPW is?

 

Vintage Power Wagons https://www.vintagepowerwagons.com/

[ggdad1951]

please check out the stickies at the top of the forum.  Lots of info there like this:

 

 

[JBNeal]

Some members might even have a few stacked in an attic that check the parts wanted classified ads occasionally...

[Boody]

Thanks

[maddmaxx1949]

On 12/14/2020 at 8:05 PM, billrigsby said:

Sounds like I might be in the same boat, I know I have two or three oil pans and probably three or four strainers I'm hoping something there is correct and usable.

 

I'd be curious to see side by side pictures of the strainers though to see just what the difference is?

I'll see if have another rear one lying around and I'll try and snap a photo. Just tube routing from my understanding. 

[JBNeal]

On 12/13/2020 at 2:13 PM, Boody said:

Now I need to find a front sump pan and pickup . Hopefully  I can locate one.

 

Sometimes the answer is right around the corner...

[maddmaxx1949]

I've attached photos of a rear sump (rusty one) and a front sump (black oily one). They are oriented the way they are supposed to be in the pan. 

17 hours ago, JBNeal said:

 

Sometimes the answer is right around the corner...

JB don't be trying to cut into my stash over here. Got 6 other engines I might need it for....