Boody Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 I have a 1952 dodge panel truck, I got it with a bad 218 motor and a 3 speed manual transmission. I recently picked up a 1953 plymouth 218 engine and 3 speed manual transmission. After reading many topics in the forum I realized the deep part if the oil pan is at the rear of the engine. The motor in the truck the deep part was in the front. Will it fit or can the oil pan be changed ? Any suggestions? Thanks Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBNeal Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 Oil pans, etc are interchangeable for front and rear sump engines...gotta have the front sump for steering + axle clearance on the B-series 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrigsby Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 37 minutes ago, JBNeal said: Oil pans, etc are interchangeable for front and rear sump engines...gotta have the front sump for steering + axle clearance on the B-series On ALL? B Series, this is the original B1D engine coming out, rear sump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boody Posted December 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 Dont know if the engine in my truck was original but it was a Plymouth 218. It was in tough shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merle Coggins Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 8 hours ago, billrigsby said: On ALL? B Series, this is the original B1D engine coming out, rear sump? Are you absolutely sure that is the original engine? That truck should have a front sump pan. I suspect someone had swapped engines at some point in it's past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrigsby Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 15 minutes ago, Merle Coggins said: Are you absolutely sure that is the original engine? That truck should have a front sump pan. I suspect someone had swapped engines at some point in it's past. Hmmm, it had the correct engineering code, but the block was shot and could not be used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggdad1951 Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 FEF had the wrong pan originally...it worked on the farm...the axle just put the needed relief areas in it one dent at a time with the needed brazing to fix the resultant cracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBNeal Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 Having a correct engineering code does not necessarily mean the truck has its original engine... a build card ultimately verifies the originality of a truck's engine... build cards can also verify what kind of engine the truck had originally if it has a car engine in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boody Posted December 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 So if I find the right pan do I need a sump also or can my sump be used or modified in some way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merle Coggins Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 Couldn’t you use the pan and pickup tube from your original engine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boody Posted December 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 PplMy friend scrapped the motor he didn't think we'd need it anymore and he's not sure if he kept the pan. I guess the panel truck is a B4B-108 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx1949 Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 On 12/8/2020 at 6:29 PM, Boody said: So if I find the right pan do I need a sump also or can my sump be used or modified in some way? Yes you will also need a front facing sump. it goes in the same hole but angles out towards the front of the pan instead of the rear. I just did this same swap (just opposite front to rear and all it took was a swapped pan and sump and the engine fit right in for my application. I don't believe all B series trucks have a front sump. I think '39 through '46 trucks had rear sumps and I know the '53 PW I have all original is also rear sump. I want to go out on a limb here and say front sump limited to some of the smaller B-series trucks. The'49 B-1b (218) i have is front and like i said the '53 PW (230) is rear. Not sure about modifying the sump I'm sure if you could weld a tube and lengthen it then bend to the proper angles it could be done, but much easier to find the right one in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boody Posted December 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 Thanks for the info. It seems like every time I take a step or two forward I take one backwards. Just my luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx1949 Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 At least you are looking into it before hand. I had mine 99% in before i realized the oil pan was sitting right on the tie rod. had to take it all back out, swap pans, reinstall. That was a long day.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boody Posted December 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 Now I need to find a front sump pan and pickup . Hopefully I can locate one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggdad1951 Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 19 hours ago, Boody said: Now I need to find a front sump pan and pickup . Hopefully I can locate one. hit up the normal suspects (VPW, DCM, etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boody Posted December 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 I live in Rhode Island I'll try some local places . Then try the classifieds. Not sure what VPW is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrigsby Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 Sounds like I might be in the same boat, I know I have two or three oil pans and probably three or four strainers I'm hoping something there is correct and usable. I'd be curious to see side by side pictures of the strainers though to see just what the difference is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merle Coggins Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 11 hours ago, Boody said: Not sure what VPW is? Vintage Power Wagons https://www.vintagepowerwagons.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggdad1951 Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 please check out the stickies at the top of the forum. Lots of info there like this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBNeal Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 Some members might even have a few stacked in an attic that check the parts wanted classified ads occasionally... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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maddmaxx1949 Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 On 12/14/2020 at 8:05 PM, billrigsby said: Sounds like I might be in the same boat, I know I have two or three oil pans and probably three or four strainers I'm hoping something there is correct and usable. I'd be curious to see side by side pictures of the strainers though to see just what the difference is? I'll see if have another rear one lying around and I'll try and snap a photo. Just tube routing from my understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBNeal Posted December 22, 2020 Report Share Posted December 22, 2020 On 12/13/2020 at 2:13 PM, Boody said: Now I need to find a front sump pan and pickup . Hopefully I can locate one. Sometimes the answer is right around the corner... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx1949 Posted December 22, 2020 Report Share Posted December 22, 2020 I've attached photos of a rear sump (rusty one) and a front sump (black oily one). They are oriented the way they are supposed to be in the pan. 17 hours ago, JBNeal said: Sometimes the answer is right around the corner... JB don't be trying to cut into my stash over here. Got 6 other engines I might need it for.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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