billrigsby Posted December 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, bkahler said: Interesting. I have the same NOS lighter with the same part number but it has a different lighter insert. I wonder if that's the black version, it came Chrome, Black and Ivory. I was kind of wishing it was black to match all the other knobs. And I may paint it black with white lettering. Not sure yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkahler Posted December 4, 2021 Report Share Posted December 4, 2021 I would bet it's the black version My 51 came with a cigarette lighter from the factory but no ash tray and the heating element was long gone. I scrounged a bunch of different lighters out of various trucks in the junkyards and then found this one on ebay a number of years ago. Most that I found were rusty chrome although a couple of them might clean up reasonably well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrigsby Posted December 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2021 The more I look at it, I think the next time I have a bunch of Kubota Hood decals printed I'm going to have a black with white lettering insert printed that way I can just put a decal in there and keep the Integrity of it being NOS. Just a small black circular insert / decal and a better match to all the original knobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrigsby Posted December 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 Finished up the cigar lighter mounting bracket, happy with the results. Ash Tray and Cigar Lighter side by side This will be the insert decal I will have made as opposed to painting the lighter as it is NOS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Ed Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 For anyone looking I believe that knob is the same as 53-54 plymouths. Perhaps it got box swapped or they didn't match part # to knob style as they all would fit in the same hole? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrigsby Posted December 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 14 minutes ago, Young Ed said: For anyone looking I believe that knob is the same as 53-54 plymouths. Perhaps it got box swapped or they didn't match part # to knob style as they all would fit in the same hole? The parts book does list three knobs, have yet to find a picture or photo of a Black one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrigsby Posted December 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 On 12/4/2021 at 2:57 PM, bkahler said: Interesting. I have the same NOS lighter with the same part number but it has a different lighter insert. That looks like a 1959-71 Dodge & Fargo Truck Lighter Knob & Bezel - 1665009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkahler Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 Who knows how many years the 1498-770 kit was available. I do know the one I got has a 6-volt bulb in it so it was likely for the earlier years. The 51 sales literature shows the following cigar lighter. I've never seen one like it before. What I will likely do is take one of my spare knobs and fill in the letters and just make it a smooth face like the glove box door. At least the knob will look like the rest of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrigsby Posted December 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 Got some 'LIGHTER' decals printed this week, setting up to do the installation Some photos of the finished product, the font on the NOS lighter is a tad smaller than all the other knobs but at least it is white on black With the stylus I was able to indent the text so it 'feels' right 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkahler Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 That definitely looks better than the all chrome version. Nice job..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrigsby Posted December 27, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 Received my new serial number data plate from Poland today, nice work Compared to the old one Highly recommend, lots to choose from.... His Ebay offerings Robert's email; g503@interia.pl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggdad1951 Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 13 hours ago, billrigsby said: Received my new serial number data plate from Poland today, nice work Compared to the old one Highly recommend, lots to choose from.... His Ebay offerings Robert's email; g503@interia.pl I think that is the guy I used as well. A quick note to him back to maybe consider getting the stamps to size the numbers closer to the original might be good? But I was happy with the starter, geni and dizzy tags he did for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted January 6, 2022 Report Share Posted January 6, 2022 On 6/6/2021 at 2:23 PM, billrigsby said: Crankshaft is installed and spinning smoothly. Everything lubed up I'm tearing mine down right now. Was wondering..that small hole above the 3-4 cylinders in line with the pump gear on the cam. I suppose people would tell me it's to oil the distributor or pump shaft, but with so much oil slinging around why would you need it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrigsby Posted January 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 That would be my guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrigsby Posted January 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 Well, decided to leave the oil pump as is and rearrange the wires, can fix it later if need be.. Set static timing, cranked over the engine and nada. Pulled the cap and no rotation..... 20220107_131901.mp4 Pulled the distributor and looking down at the oil pump, also no rotation..... 20220107_132505.mp4 I know it WAS working, after installing an oil pressure gauge, I bleed the line of air, til oil came out. I recall someone else had an issue with a new Melling oil pump, searched but could not find it. Might have been @Brent B3B , not sure. Guess I am pulling the pump, hoping it all comes out in one piece and there is no further engine surgery required, back to frustration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrigsby Posted January 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) YEP It's $^&(*&% seized and worthless, lets hope the camshaft is better made, son of a ________! Looked online couldn't find a NOS Part, wonder if one of my old originals is worth using I don't think I want another Melling melon. The proverbial one step forward and this time ten steps back depending upon how deep I have to dig into this engine again. Edited January 7, 2022 by billrigsby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkahler Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 Wow Where did you get the oil pump? I've rebuilt probably a dozen engines over the years and never had anything like that happen. You might check with Vintage Power Wagons for replacement parts. I bought my pump and camshaft from them and if I remember right the pump was called a high volume pump. Bought probably 22 years ago. I sincerely hope that's all the damage you find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrigsby Posted January 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 It was in the rebuild kit that I got from Clegg Engine, Melling M-37, I think. I just sent them an email asking about warranty information not that I want another one. Unless it is to sell on eBay. Seems to be a somewhat common problem, I did find the post I remembered seeing earlier here. FAILURE Unfortunately I'm going to have to pull the oil pan which means putting the engine back on the stand. If nothing else to get rid of all the little bits and pieces. I don't see a way to inspect the camshaft without doing that anyway, I don't have a borescope which might get you in there I'm not sure. AAARRRGGG ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkahler Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 Pulling the pan is the smart thing to do. A small hidden stress crack on the cam would be a disaster waiting for the most inopportune time to present itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkahler Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 I don't know if this is the same one that I bought but it's listed as a High volume oil pump. The M-37 seems to be advertised as a stock flow / stock pressure pump. Maybe that means the VPW pump is not from Melling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrigsby Posted January 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 I'm torn man, even if I don't see any damage I'm half tempted to pull the cam and have it magnafluxed, or see what I've got on the shelf and put a different one in. Sometimes things just suck This is one of those times I was looking forward to the engine firing, sputtering, running rough and needing some dialing in, not this. Oh well, as the kids these days say, "it is what it is". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrigsby Posted January 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, bkahler said: I don't know if this is the same one that I bought but it's listed as a High volume oil pump. The M-37 seems to be advertised as a stock flow / stock pressure pump. Maybe that means the VPW pump is not from Melling. I see they're also listing NOS I wonder if that really is the case or if it's a reproduction or aftermarket, I'm going to call them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkahler Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 I think the saying "You can pay me now, or you can pay me later" kind of applies here. The sad part is paying later usually means you pay more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkahler Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 Just now, billrigsby said: I see they're also listing NOS I wonder if that really is the case or if it's a reproduction or aftermarket, I'm going to call them. They used to buy lots of NOS military surplus so I'm betting it is NOS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrigsby Posted January 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 Yes I believe I use that phrase in @Bdblazer1978's post back in 2020 LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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