Plymouthy Adams Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 AND...in all your checking for parts did you tell the counter guy what model distributor you have so that fat ricers could get you matching cap and rotor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1950dodgefan Posted March 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 my cap and rotor are new. every ignition part is new and the clearances are all set and i just tampered with it and i got one spark and then now i have nothing again. for the amount of money ive spent troubleshooting i couldve just bought a distributor with electronic ignition and been done with it im on the edge lol. its one grimlin little turd rite now. was firing all day got it to actually run and rev for about 1 minute then boom dead in the water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 should I repeat myself? nah..forget I said anything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1950dodgefan Posted March 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 should I repeat myself? nah..forget I said anything... look sir i dont understand your problem with me? you asked a question and i answered it by saying its already been replaced? im sorry if im not interpreting what your trying to ask wrong.. but im not here for you to act like im a teenage moron and try to make me look like a fool im here because i needed help and the other people who helped me did so very respectful. now i dont know you and im not fighting or disrespecting you sir but you keep talking about how im not giving information...im giving the most information i have at that present time. anyways. i replaced points, condenser, coil and wires and i can say finally after the longest of waiting and trouble shooting i just took my timing light off after a 10 minute warm up and a nice ol neighbor tuning the carb she runs fires rite up and idles like a dream woke the whole neighborhood thanks to a glass pack muffler but eh they didnt mind to much. thank you all for all your help and sorry for my "un detailed" answers next project... BRAKES!! WHERE TO GET PARTS AND WOULD YOU RECOMMEND TAKING IT TO A SHOP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I guess I do have to repeat myself...DID YOU..give the counter men the model of your distributor when obtaining parts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiftyFifty Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 There is the odd rough and grumble reply on here, but just move past that and try your best to describe what the issues are, and we will do our best to solve them. As for brakes, replace everything in the system IMO, get a rebuilt master cylinder and parts from your local parts supplier, if it's 1/2 ton, most of those parts are still available. If you have someone with a credit card, I do recommend Rock Auto as a great source for parts...just ordered a new oil pump myself, just as a precautionary measure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 rough and grumble but pure factual...it is not the fat ricers coming here with the questions....easy for him to call them names I see but hard to accept some replies back asking questions of pertinence...I could care less if he gets his truck running...but if he followed a bit of the advice given here he could be further down the road I think.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Balazs Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 There is a possibility that your new ignition parts are not matched to the distributor or are sub-standard. See any sign of arcing at the rotor or inside the cap? Also you could be getting a short inside the distributor. These are the kinds of things that a few good close up pictures would help us....help you. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1950dodgefan Posted March 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I gave him the type of distributor i had yes and i got all my parts they were direct bolt ons to the distributor and it worked great the truck is now running and i tuned it with my timing light and my neighbor adjusted the carb so the engine runs pretty health he read the spark plugs to tel me that its fuel mixture is pretty good so all in all just minor testing and stuff to see if the engine is safely running and if it passes all my test well im going for a ride haha. and yeah its a 3/4 ton so is that going to make geting parts any harder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 thanks..was answering a question that hard for you...glad it is running...folks here trying to help..you are frustrated with the truck...and am sure it is reflected on us by being a bit short as we often ask bullet question and take the sugar coating right off the top... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathbound Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) Stay on the forum for a while & you will see a pattern. Good luck with your truck, at 17, you know more about these trucks than most did at that age. Edited March 30, 2015 by deathbound 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55 Fargo Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Stay on the forum for a while & you will see a pattern. Good luck with your truck, at 17, you know more about these trucks than most did at that age. Couldn't agree more DB, hang in there kid, its a good forum with a lot of good members. There are a few "Crusty Crabs" take em with a grain of salt or put them on the ignore list, it's that simple.....glad the engine is running... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Balazs Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) Some 3/4 ton stuff is a bit rare. The drums themselves with the 5 x 5 wheel pattern are very hard to find If yours need replacing. Hopefully not. Wheel cylinders, M/C, shoes etc. are not a problem to find but it is likely all need replacing. Be sure and replace all the metal and rubber lines with new. I suspect you will have $600 to $800 into the brake system.....if you are lucky. It will be more if any of your drums are past it. Pretty sobering stuff huh? You hit on a real issue when ordering parts. Most of these parts shops just use a computer. That is fine for newer stuff but if all they have is a generic listing for a part it could be and often is way off. When it comes to things like distributor parts you need to give them the actual info off the plate on the distributor or you risk getting the wrong stuff. There was more than one distributor model used on these truck. The old parts guys who knew these things are just about gone. Glad it is running. Jeff Edited March 30, 2015 by Jeff Balazs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavisco1 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 thanks..was answering a question that hard for you...glad it is running...folks here trying to help..you are frustrated with the truck...and am sure it is reflected on us by being a bit short as we often ask bullet question and take the sugar coating right off the top... Plymouthy, I think you should throttle back a little bit. The kid came in here with a great attitude, enthusiasm, and strong work ethic. He's 17. He doesn't have your experience and 17 year old's don't always think the same way as those of us past '50. I don't think he knew there are multiple distributors for these engines. I believe he genuinely thought he did answer your question and then was confused by your gruff response. Instead of badgering him, maybe you could have informed him of the multiple distributors and the need to have the distributor model number. From his further replies it sounds like he has his act together pretty good for a 17 year old. If your response is typical of the welcome young people receive here, then it's no wonder that many young hobbyist are moving to the ricers and staying away from the traditional vintage cars. You may think rough and grumble is endearing or has character, but from where I stand it simply comes across as hateful and rude. Scott. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) my question was simple and relevant..he did not answer..he merely stated they were new components....there is a direct need to get correct componetns only assured if you ask by model number...it that is so hard to understand and my lack of saying something like please please you just got to do this or that..forget it..I speak mainly in bullet statements...I do not sugar coat...I have nothing to gain or lose if he listens..I stayed out of that completely until I saw where the specific model of the distributor was not mentioned when getting his parts...a couple seasoned veterans on this site has learned that the hard way...I was trying to help but I will not hold his hand.. he stated he has the book and has read it plenty of times..it appears he did ask for parts by model number after the so called gruff remarks...without that statement back to me affirming that action I again asked the question...if he understood..then his gruff reply of "all parts new" is just as much a poor reply as that I am be accused of... Edited March 31, 2015 by Plymouthy Adams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavisco1 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 Your reply is pretty much as I expected of you. I certainly hope you don't make your living as an instructor or teacher. And I still think your behavior here is hateful and rude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 thanks you...then you will not have any trouble with any of my future responses as you know how I write my replies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiftyFifty Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 The focus of this site is to help each other...correct me if I'm wrong, and sometimes I think those of us with more experience just expect others to know what we are always talking about when we post specifics, but the biggest benefit of the forum is to help those that DON'T have that experience, pretty sure that's why they sought us out.....just like I did 5 years ago. We all need to remember patience when posting, and yes there will still be times we have to challenge each other and that's good, because that creates thought and discussion....but there is always a right and wrong way to do it. Everyone is a valued member to me...but once in awhile you have to just skip over some posts to keep on track......speaking of which dodgefan, I would recommend if your brake shoes look to be somewhat decent that you take them for re-lining, and at the same time get your drums measured at a good shop to be sure. If they are a bit over size, or just cant be machined within spec, I wouldn't be scared to clean them up as best you can with emery cloth and run all the other new parts.... I've done it and many others have as well with a stock set up. If someday you want to upgrade, then I recommend the front disc brake conversion kit, and possibly a Cherokee rear diff swap, which gives you newer better brakes front and back. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1950dodgefan Posted March 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 thanks guys for all the help. im pulling the engine apart now for my budies to chrome parts and powder coat them so it will look new! and guys im sorry but this forum isnt worth fighting over were all gentlemen lets respect eachother. these trucks are classy so should our attitudes toward one another. anyways i dont know if i forgot to mention but ihave 2 trucks and the parts truck engine is siezed but fixable but id rather sell the engine to make money.. so heres my question for you guys out there how hard would it be to swap a simple 318-360 into the parts truck so i have two running trucks?? just some fuel for the fire. to get me excited. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 4mula... I agree with you on the helping others...but at the same time...they must help themselves and further enable others to help them by answering questions...I was but one person who did not get an answer until I pushed the subject...maybe the others did not push..maybe they just quit trying to help the guy.....if I upset him then think of the frustration of those trying to help who are not getting feedback...it is a two way street...daily we see threads with little supporting information and have to ask them to be a bit more specific or forthcoming..often it is just as simple as putting your car year and model in the profile that can help answer a question without having in turn ask them a question back first to get the actual year or application of their question...I often read a profile prior to answering especially new people as you have not yet gotten familiar with them their car or their intended direction of build.....not trying to sell anyone short....but communications is two way.....I don't think that most of the folks truly supplying answers on a regular basis would argue against folks supplying pertinent data up front in their quest for help..if it takes a thread like this to push the importance of answering questions of those try to help..then let it fall on me to take the heat...at least the subject is out there along with the need to respond in kind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiftyFifty Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 thanks guys for all the help. im pulling the engine apart now for my budies to chrome parts and powder coat them so it will look new! and guys im sorry but this forum isnt worth fighting over were all gentlemen lets respect eachother. these trucks are classy so should our attitudes toward one another. anyways i dont know if i forgot to mention but ihave 2 trucks and the parts truck engine is siezed but fixable but id rather sell the engine to make money.. so heres my question for you guys out there how hard would it be to swap a simple 318-360 into the parts truck so i have two running trucks?? just some fuel for the fire. to get me excited. No such thing as an easy drop in of a V8, and a seized or partly seized 218 is worth about scrap metal other then parts for your own project...there is so many of them around, and lots of guys seek out the 265/251 for a few extra ponies without any changes. The 318 means cutting the firewall, fabing new brake pedal in, new trans tunnel, new drive shaft and anything with that much more power definitely requires a brakes upgrade. There are V8 threads on here you can search to find all the details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathbound Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 thanks guys for all the help. im pulling the engine apart now for my budies to chrome parts and powder coat them so it will look new! and guys im sorry but this forum isnt worth fighting over were all gentlemen lets respect eachother. these trucks are classy so should our attitudes toward one another. anyways i dont know if i forgot to mention but ihave 2 trucks and the parts truck engine is siezed but fixable but id rather sell the engine to make money.. so heres my question for you guys out there how hard would it be to swap a simple 318-360 into the parts truck so i have two running trucks?? just some fuel for the fire. to get me excited. Check out this thread....exact question you're asking regarding a 318/360 swap: http://p15-d24.com/topic/38331-52-pilothouse-v8-inquiry/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Coatney Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 At about 12 years old I started hanging out at the neighborhood gas station/repair shop. There were several folks working there including some well seasoned mechanics. I wanted to learn as much as I could so I would hang out with the seasoned guys who could teach me the most. These seasoned guys did not sugar coat anything and were rough on me. But I paid a lot of attention to what they said as it was factual and important. I learned more from them than I did from the guys who sugar coated everything. The hard nosed facts may not have been what I wanted to hear but learned a lot from them. These seasoned guys also did not hand me all the facts. They taught me to do my own research so I could discuss issues with them at there level. I have a lot of respect for the seasoned hard nosed approach to problem solving. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiftyFifty Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 Patience and as much information as possible is the way to teach someone in my opinion, I'm glad your experienced worked for you Don, but in a setting like this we don't have that hands on approach and were not building personal friendships per say, which means some things come off as constructive criticism and discussions, and other things come off as rude and unhelpful....there's gotta be a balance. You can read the manual a 100 times, but their written vaugely in some cases because they were designed around the ideals that they were going to established mechanics, not to mention now 60+ years later....what comes apart as nicely as the manual suggests? and what tools have dissapeared from most sets that younger people are using. I know my older buddies all have offset double box end wrenches, I've got bits and pieces from years of collecting, but I never hardly use them,,,,until I need to take my starter bolts out, info like that is lost to kids that buy a new set with colour Chrome tools that look good, and are more metric driven then SAE. I'll give you and Plymouth, there's been some missing info and posts that jump around in this thread that are sometimes frustrating, but his initial posts explain why...he's new to the game and we have to remember we don't all learn the same way, and we don't all have the lingo down the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_shel_ny Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) Not a finger point at this thread specifically, but many times on the forums, questions are asked to elicit a response to that question, that just leads to more questions, when additional information could have been provided initially as to the why, and where for prompting the question. It's like, I'm going to throw this line out there for you to grab. It's my line, and you are not going to be pulled to shore unless you pull back. You are going to play 20 questions with me. There is something on the other side of this door, and I am not going to put a glass in there so that you can see it. The door is locked. I am the key. EDIT: as 4mula said it's not a hands on, everyone looking at the job where they can reach out and touch it, and converse back and forth while doing the job. It's got to be a total pain in the backside to text out a phone message to communicate here. Personally, I would not know, because I have never sent a phone text, and have no plans to ever do so Edited March 31, 2015 by shel_ny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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