49 Dodge Wayfarer (Coupe)

[doctor dirt]

Good/Bad?  Car rides much better BUT..................needs king pin and the steering box is "tired"!

Oil pan is leaking (I guess it wanted to be involved  )

 

So my question, is there a certain manufacture of a king pin to avoid or can a napa or advanced parts be purchase and work fine??? 

 

The difference between the bias to radial is night & day!! The Hankook is a good looking tread and overall nice pattern. The Cokers were 1997 so I scrapped them except the spare (new) and I'll see its condition when I get it off the rim and replace it with a black Hankook!

 

Steering box?

Tail pipe hanger?

wiper Grommets?

...............................any suggestions????? thanx Doc.

Edited April 21, 2013 by doctor dirt

[_shel_ny]

 and the steering box is "tired"!

Those that may be able to suggest something may need a bit more to go on.  A starting point.

 

What are you seeing?

 

Play in the wheel?

 

Is the steering box secure to the frame?

 

Are the spacers shot where it bolts on?

 

Is the lube leaking out?

[Dodgeb4ya]

Those rubber grommets in the wiper arms are going to be near impossible to locate I think mainly because I think the link arms came pre-assembled with the grommets and brass inserts already. I do think there was both the rubber grommet and brass round insert pressed into that same grommet. I could be wrong though. If you had that rubber grommet MoPar part# you might find it separately. That will be a tough one though.

I have seen your other desperate ads online.

Bob

[_shel_ny]

 

 

Tail pipe hanger?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/42-52-Chrysler-dodge-Plymouth-front-tailpipe-hanger-/370625481891?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item564b000ca3&vxp=mtr

 

or

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DODGE-STRONG-DUTY-UNIVERSAL-EXHAUST-TAIL-PIPE-MUFFLER-360-SWIVEL-HANGER-NOS-/270924843882?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Year%3A1952|Make%3ADodge&hash=item3f14610b6a&vxp=mtr

 

or

 

mitchell motor parts   call mike or frank

 

 

or

 

if this is not a 100 point restoration project

 

or

 

robertsmotorparts   has universal hanger for $5 (old book) +shipping

 

you or the mechanic should be able to walk into most any auto parts store and pick out a universal tail pipe support bracket.

[doctor dirt]

Shel_biizy_48; The majority of play is moving right, the left move has no play to it. Turning right creates as a roll feeling!! I believe both my mechanics and the alligner felt the box to see if it was secure but I will ask them directly and also see if they knew if the spacers were correct. There is leaking from the box both have mentioned that to me!

dodgeb4ya; The arm was going to be taken off last week and I was going to try and match the grommet to the arm at a hardware store but I couldn't get anyone to take it off. When it came to to do other things on the car time got tight! This week it needs to be paramount!

shel_bizzy_48 I think its the first auction, I saw it before and I think I fooled myself where it says "front" tail pipe!! As apposed to "rear"!

 

thank you Doc.

[Young Ed]

I found rubber grommets at my hardware store that were a perfect match OD match to the arms. HOWEVER my wipers barely work now. Unknown if its because the ID is too tight on the motor and causing binding or if its just that weak. I also don't know for sure that a 49 is the same as my 48.  

[_shel_ny]

wiper Grommets?

I realize you have difficulty accessing the underside of the dash. Perhaps if you had someone pull the wiper motor (2 bolts and a vacuum line if not elec), and one arm of the linkage it would be easier to see just how it operates.

 

The arm with a grommet slips snugly over the brass nut/swivel/insert. That brass part that Dodgeb4ya is speaking of is secured to the arm/linkage. 

 

EDIT: please disregard any info provided on the grommet. 49-50 vehicles are apparently different than earlier versions.

 

The ID for the grommet would be approx. .33". 

 

The OD would be approx. .45".  

 

Possibly a 3/8" grommet would do.

 

The grommet could be split if needed.  It just has the be in there snug.

 

Then the clip goes on to keep the arm from coming off.

 

The brass nut/swivel/insert does all the work.

 

You could probably just use a piece of inner tube to accomplish the same end result. 

 

Possibly a piece of rubber/vinyl vacuum line split and slid over the brass.

 

You could build a mold, and  make your own grommet to do this with RTV.

 

This is a slow speed operation area. It isn't like a wheel bearing or such. Not real critical.

 

Moves a bit in one direction, then moves a bit in the other direction.

Edited April 21, 2013 by shel_bizzy_48

[_shel_ny]

shel_bizzy_48 I think its the first auction, I saw it before and I think I fooled myself where it says "front" tail pipe!! As apposed to "rear"!

 

thank you Doc.

There would be two hangers after the muffler. That auction for the front one would be just a bit behind the muffler. The rear one would be after the axle bend.

[_shel_ny]

The arm was going to be taken off last week and I was going to try and match the grommet to the arm at a hardware store but I couldn't get anyone to take it off. When it came to to do other things on the car time got tight!

 

EDIT: please disregard any info provided on the grommet. 49-50 vehicles are apparently different than earlier versions.

 

Getting the arm and motor in sight really makes it all come together as to how simple it is.

 

I see Young Ed mentioned his not working well now, and possibly tight grommets. If yours looks like the pic I posted you just need to be sure that the grommet does not rub on the part of the motor that pivots, and possibly on the clip side. If it has the brass nut/swivel/insert, as long as the grommet goes around it you are good. Nut/swivel/insert does all the work.

 

EDIT: As far as the arm goes, I believe the wiper post/pivot that goes out through the cowl has to come out as well. That is the way it is on my 48, and also on the Chrysler that I got my donor electric motor from.

Edited April 21, 2013 by shel_bizzy_48

[DJ194950]

Wiper arm  grommet is the same for almost all 49-50 mopars. # 1239-371.

 

I googled mopar 1239371 and collectorsautosupply.com seems to carry them, call for availibilty. 1-888-772-7848 

 

Good luck, tried adding lube to the wiper motor via the vacuam line??

 

Best to ya, 

 

Doug

[doctor dirt]

Thanx guys, my tail pipe holder is the "last in line" after the muffler just in back of the end of the pipe! It is simulat to the pictured one on ebay except the rubber mount isn't flat its circular! I really wish I could just look under the damn car!!!!!

DJ194950, thanks much I was thinking of "justparts" and found "collectors" the other day looking for "stone guards"! I should have asked but didn't have my list of parts with me, thanx very much!!

shel_bizzt_48 yes I figured that the part wasn't a complete rubber grommet because it wouldn't have the freedom it needed I was hoping a modern urothane or hard plastic might work! I had nothing to compare to and I've been looking for a week. Others on ebay looked to be a urothane type material!!

 

Young Ed got some help to, great!! The rubber is just going to bind things up!! Nothing like a real part #number!

 

Once again thanx I have a busy week ahead of me and leaks poping up everywhere fuel pump gasket, oil pan gasket, steering box!!

Need King Pin, and will see who's in florida that might have a reman box or call Red Head and see what they say!  

Eventually I will drive this car somewheres other than a garage that has a lift, I think!   Hoping for a great week ahead! best to all, Doc

[Dodgeb4ya]

That wiper link rubber bushing, MoPar #1239371 is also used on on B1 and B2 vacuum wiper Dodge trucks and 1946-50 Plymouth cars. It appears no brass insert is used on these vacuum wiper link rod rubber bushing inserts.

Bob

[doctor dirt]

Calling Collector shortly. Theres 2 grommetts one on each arm is there a "cap" or lock down  to secure them? Doc

[DJ194950]

Calling Collector shortly. Theres 2 grommetts one on each arm is there a "cap" or lock down  to secure them? Doc

 

Original setup used as special clip ( part # 837999) to secure the rods to the wiper motor. Collector supply MAY carry them, but if not, a thin washer and a E type clip that's avail. at most hardware stores and full parts stores work just fine. Do not attempt to use a clip that requires snap ring pliers as it's very hard to even get to original clips or E clips on the wiper motor  as they install with the clips pointed toward the firewall and it's hard to see and install.

 

dodgeb4ya, the 49-50's have a brass? multi-side pivot on the wiper motor thats staked on (not readily removed) but is loose enough to make it pivot on it and not in the rubber bushings.

 

Best to ya,

 

Doug

Edited April 22, 2013 by DJ194950

[doctor dirt]

Thanks Doug, I did speak with Collectors and the boss is on vacation there but I was told the grommets and pin were avalible and they would get them out sometime this week!

 

Rock has the king pin set by Raybestos and it looks good and the price beats napa and a few other places so I'll get that ordered today!

 

I don't have access to the lift till later this week (sat or sun) so pics and a unit number off the steering gearbox will just have to wait! But the king pin and box is a MUST to insure the car is true and safe.

 

While I'm waiting to get that done we're going to fix some leaks mainly the oil pan gasket and the fuel pump gasket that will need to be traced!!! (fri nite I hope)

thanx again, Doc.

[doctor dirt]

All parts are received or atleast on order! Heres the last of the current problems and the biggest at that!

 

Steering Gearbox needs to be rebuilt!!! Has anyone done business with Red Head in Wash. state? They're all over the net and pop up everywhere when the topic is gears & boxes! Does anyone have any suggestions to get this box in proper running order?

 

The play is largest to the rightt and very tight to the left, the right hand turns give the car a heavy roll over feel. I checked coils and shocks and their working prperly.

I will put in the right side king pin prior to sending the box out!  We will look into an adjustment to it once the pin is in but the mechanics that have seen the car on a lift agree its the main problem.  Any company suggestions?   Doc.

 

 

 

who made the M6 tranny? Is it a Borg Warner?

Edited April 24, 2013 by doctor dirt

[Plymouthy Adams]

M6 is a Chrysler product... per my manual..the Borg Warner automatic of the time were used in Hudson and Studebaker...

[doctor dirt]

Gotcha, just wondering because the "corperate A833 tranny" I assumed to be Dodge but I never found out who prepared that 4speed. No tips or advises on the gearbox??

 

use it has a lightweight anchor?

swap it out for a power steering unit???

Ropes??????   HA!!!

 

Doc.

[JerseyHarold]

Doc,

 

Have you spoken to local auto parts stores or heavy truck repair shops to see if there is a steering box rebuilder in your area?   I'd go local if possible rather than shipping the steering box all over the universe.   Also, it might pay to buy a used box and have that rebuilt.  Then it becomes a one-trip operation to replace the old box.

[doctor dirt]

Been searching all over my area with the help from a napa manager I've known for 20 years. This area stinks for machine work and/or assembly work. I tried Raneys a welknown truck supplier but their not ready to go into "auto's" yet!! I was hoping Red Head had a unit and could use mine as a core but their not familar with it or their protical is to have pics and a number off the unit prior to me shipping it!!! Not much info on the net about this. Doc.

Edited April 24, 2013 by doctor dirt

[Plymouthy Adams]

first off..have you read your manual on the operation and care of the M6..proper adjustment of idle speed and such is critical for proper up and down shift of the unit....are your fluid levels proper and is the oil in good condition and not full of condensate or burnt smelling...until then I would not consider the tranny a libality much less a write loss altogether

[Dodgeb4ya]

I buy from Red Head for my modern car and truck needs for customers. They have semi truck/ Mustang /Camaro and a lot more types of steering gears in stock. They build them and have been in business for over 30 years at the same N. Seattle address. I doubt they can help you with your steering gear, but you never know! Talk to Harvey Foster. He is the owner-the one to get the real answer.

As for the transmission in your Wayfarer isn't it a regular 3 speed? The M-6 is called the "Gyro-Matic" for Dodge and is a Hi-Lo range hydraulically operated transmission a big option on a Wafarer. The regular 3 speed and the Gyro-Matic is built by Chrysler Corp.

Glad you found your wiper bushings from collector supply. They locate a lot of their parts from other vendors.

Bob

Edited April 24, 2013 by Dodgeb4ya

[doctor dirt]

Thanks DodgeB4ya, I have spoken to Red Head and if I fall short here and use them I'll take your advice, thanx. Plymouthy everything is good with the tranny, I was just interested if it was an "in house" or something Dodge bought outside their factory. The lube will be checked shortly as soon as I find the ISO 32. Tried Tractor Supply (napa had 5gal pale) and that was a bust but if I have to order it on line I will. Car shifts fine holds it stance and moves out nicely!

 

I'm hoping for a "big Sat"

oil pan gasket

fuel pump gasket

maybe the grommets (calif)

possibly new brake shoes on the emergency brake, the leaks have messed them up badly (soaked)!! Cable seems ok!

 

cosmetics bought;

beauty rings

interior sun visors

interior mirror

steering wheel leather wrap

floor mats

all new bulbs

..............I'm hoping my plan comes through.   Doc.

Edited April 24, 2013 by doctor dirt

[JerseyHarold]

I did a Google search and found this company that may be able to help:

http://www.rebuildingfactory.com/index.html

 

Believe it or not, Rock Auto shows a 'rebuild and return' service for the '49 Wayfarer priced at $235.00.  May be worth looking into.

[doctor dirt]

I just talked to them about that the other day when I ordered the Raybestos king pin set!!! I'll check it out right now!! thanx Doc

 

 

not a bad deal because I called Lares last week and their quote to rebuild was alot more than the 235.00 that Rock is offering!

Edited April 25, 2013 by doctor dirt