5 Speed, Not T5

[Robert Horne]

My project I have been working on is to adapt a 5 speed to my 36 engine. This is a 5 speed from a 86 or 87 Ranger. I believe 83 to 87 Ranger 5 speeds are very similar. These are not T5 5 speeds. The name is TOYO KOGYO 1983-87. The pilot shaft seems to be a good length if not using and adpter plate, but an adpter plate may be used.

[Robert Horne]

I am using my stock 1938 bell housing. Added a 2 inch piece of angle iron for the bottom, to bolt on the lower 2 bolts of the 5 speed trans. The center hole needs to be milled out about 1/8 inch. I will let the machinist take care of that.

[Robert Horne]

Center hole needs to be close to 4.40 inch.

[wayfarer]

Looks promising. Do you have any info on the gear spread?

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[Robert Horne]

Have not found any information on the gearing. Only info I have at this time is these are in 1983 to 87 Rangers. I was looking for a T5 at the salvage yards when I came accross some of these. Bought this one from an ad in the paper, for $50...............Bob...............

[greg g]

The Transmissions from Rangers are eithe made by Mazda or Mitsubishi. or under the Mazda corporate name of Toyo Kogyo. they are an OD top gear but not by much.

Depending on trans the OD is .79 or .80 but still not to bad, 3100 Rpm would be reduced to 2500 which seems like a good cruising rpm.

www.therangerstation.com/tech_library/ManualTransmission.html

[Robert Horne]

This is the bottom. 14 bolt pan. Mechanical speedometer gear.

Seems like the 1988 and up have a 1 piece bell, so would not be adaptable.

The 1983 to 1987 Toyo Kogyo was used in alot of vehicles, Bronco 11, Aerostar, Rangers, etc. Found rebuild kits for $137, plus $60 for syncro ring kits.

[Robert Horne]

Looks promising. Do you have any info on the gear spread?

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The gear spread looks like: 3.96,,2.07,,1.39,,????,,0.84.......................

[Young Ed]

4th is almost always direct 1:1

[Robert Horne]

Bought another TK5 5 speed, not T5 unit this week. A 1986 Ranger unit I believe. E67A BB.

[thrashingcows]

Very interesting build. What did your car have before? Fluid drive or standard 3 speed?

I have noticed that the bell housings on the fluid drives are a lot deeper to accept the "torque converter" and still house the clutch.

The length of that 5 speed shaft looks like it might work on a fluid drive bell housing?

[Robert Horne]

I have a standard 3 speed trans in the car now, 1938. My extra bell housings are 38, and 37s. These are 7.75 deep, same as these Ranger pilot shafts. Ranger trans, 1983 to 1987, Toyo Kogyo.

[greg g]

I believe those are sorced from the MAZDA parts bin. the ratios for the trucks are fairly close and the OD is about 24%. The ones from the car side have wider ratios and a taler top gear. I think the Miata uses the same trans withthe different ratios. Toyo Kogyo is the Mazda corporate umbrella. You might check 5speed 2 wd Mazda Tributes as they are considered lighter duty than the pickups and might have the wider ratios.

http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_library/ManualTransmission.html

[Robert Horne]

I am concentrating on the 83 to 87 units. I believe the 88 and up have speedometer and bell housing issues. The Ford Aerostar and Bronco 11 use the Toyo Kogyo also, 83 to 87.

[Robert Horne]

[Robert Horne]

Very interesting build. What did your car have before? Fluid drive or standard 3 speed?

I have noticed that the bell housings on the fluid drives are a lot deeper to accept the "torque converter" and still house the clutch.

The length of that 5 speed shaft looks like it might work on a fluid drive bell housing?

The length of the 38 bell housing and the shaft of the trans matchs pretty good, close to 7.75 inch...........

[Robert Horne]

Took a few more picture since I had the front trans plate shaved down a little, to fit the bell housing center hole. The trans fits flush up against the bell house now.

[wayfarer]

Looks promising. For folks wanting a 5-speed, there are a number of smaller, 'light duty' units that should pair nicely with the flathead 6 power levels. Not every project needs a t-5 or AX15.

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[Robert Horne]

Made a little progress today. Trans seem to line up ok....

[TR Waters]

Might be getting ahead of myself, but how does the shifter location look?

[Don Coatney]

Looks like about 13 inches further back than a non world class T-5. Are you going with bucket seats?

[Robert Horne]

I am using a bench seat, 3rd row seat from a Chevy Surburban.

The Ranger 5 speed shifter is about 25 inch from the engine block.

The 38 trans shifter is about 12 inch or so from the engine block.

12 inch or so back from the 38 trans shifter looks to be enough space

for the 5 speed shifter.

[Don Coatney]

Sounds great! When do you expect to be on the road?

[wayfarer]

We are expecting a 'road-test' report with all of the details! I am curious how that 3.9 first gear works out.

[Robert Horne]

Will be awhile before I can get this road ready. I am going to China for month in a couple of weeks. Have been working on the 56 engine also. I would like to put the 56 engine, with the 5 speed on it, into the 38. Should make for a good ride. Have new tires ready to mount. Replaced a brake line for the 3rd time, poor quality brass fittings, and finally got good brakes. The car is finally coming together....