why did plymouth use a 6? instead of an 8?

[michael.warshaw]

i understand its metal with a fake wood grain look, but why would i powder it, to ruin the wood look.

[greg g]

I think you, Mike need some sensitivity training. The use of the R word really is offensive, if not being used to describe a ignition timing issue. It has no place here especially applied to a responder's opinion.

Saying the thread has gone R is naught but a veiled reference to using it toward the responders you disagree with.

Hope you will do the right thing here.

[michael.warshaw]

im not taking it to meccum im specing big money so i can drive it and enjoy it with out breaking down. by the time im done, ill be in to the car for double whats its worth, so restoring to loose money makes no sense.

[Norm's Coupe]

Michael,

Some of the guys may have given you a little business in the past. But........as they said here, your dash is not wood. It's just painted like wood. That is unless some really good woodworker made a wooden dash for your car at one time or another. Like the one below that is all wood.

[michael.warshaw]

Michael' date='

Some of the guys may have given you a little business in the past. But........as they said here, your dash is not wood. It's just painted like wood. That is unless some really good woodworker made a wooden dash for your car at one time or another. Like the one below that is all wood.[/quote']

im aware of that thanks.

[RobertKB]

To put it politically correctly, this thread has become mentally challenged. I have said it before, if you find someone on this forum annoying, please add them to your ignore list. I am tired of the childish behavior some forum members are showing.

[michael.warshaw]

thanks robert, you are correct some people would rather talk about ************** and start problems, then talk about cars. Alot of people have big mouths online, then when you see them, their like LITTLE PUPPIE DOGS!

[Don Coatney]

I think you, Mike need some sensitivity training. The use of the R word really is offensive, if not being used to describe a ignition timing issue. It has no place here especially applied to a responder's opinion.

Saying the thread has gone R is naught but a veiled reference to using it toward the responders you disagree with.

Hope you will do the right thing here.

Greg;

I have applied to charm school many times but I keep getting rejection. In keeping with the sensitivity program (although I am laughing my a$$ off) I must ask how long your timing has been retarded?

[RobertKB]

Please kill this thread!

[michael.warshaw]

do you guys work? its 12 on a monday, im going back to work to pay for my restoartion. i guess fellas on here are very rich that they can be on the p15 forum all day long. i wish i had life style like you folk.

[greg g]

My sight is blurry, my hearing is poor, I have lost my sense of smell, and my aim is horrible, and my timing has been off for years. I can only remember three or four of the things I was taught in ranger school, but I get by for a little puppy.

[Plymouthy Adams]

I'm very much certain that the number of folks of age and widsom I have met that are on this forum are all well beyond the puppy stage and SOME are quite large in stature and not so much house broken..to mess with them 'puppies' could be a bit lethal..but I don't have a dog in this fight but I would not miss it for the world if a time and date were set...

[Norm's Coupe]

do you guys work? its 12 on a monday, im going back to work to pay for my restoartion. i guess fellas on here are very rich that they can be on the p15 forum all day long. i wish i had life style like you folk.

No offense meant. The guys may say the same about you. It may have been 12 PM in the post above, but.........your other post were during working hours also.

As for myself, I have to be on a computer most of the day for work, like many others. So.........it's easy to bounce back and forth to the forum if I want. In fact, I'd venture to say that about 90% of people who need to work on computers at work do the same thing, or just surf the web in general while working. It's called "multitasking".

That said, there is that very "old saying" out there. All work and no play makes Jack a dull person. (No offense meant to those named Jack. That's just how the old saying goes.) A little play during work keeps the worker's moral up too. Without it, work would be a real drag.

I do agree with Robert though. I'll second his last response. It's time to kill this thread. Not only is it causing a little rift, but also some of the language used in the last few posts. That's uncalled for. This is not the Hamb or Jalopy Journal forum.

Edited November 30, 2009 by Norm's Coupe

[michael.warshaw]

No offense meant. The guys may say the same about you. It may have been 12 PM in the post above' date=' but.........your other post were during working hours also.

As for myself, I have to be on a computer most of the day for work, like many others. So.........it's easy to bounce back and forth to the forum if I want. In fact, I'd venture to say that about 90% of people who need to work on computers at work do the same thing, or just surf the web in general while working. It's called "multitasking".

That said, there is that very "old saying" out there. All work and no play makes Jack a dull person. (No offense meant to those named Jack. That's just how the old saying goes.) A little play during work keeps the worker's moral up too. Without it, work would be a real drag.

I do agree with Robert though. I'll second his last response. It's time to kill this thread. Not only is it causing a little rift, but also some of the language used in the last few posts. That's uncalled for. This is not the Hamb or Jalopy Journal forum.[/quote']

agreed.

[greg g]

Before it's closed I do believe the community is owed an apology for implying that some folks were of less than full mental acuity.

As for me I was sipping a Mamosa on the deck of my yacht, something I find pleasurable to do while surfing the web.

[michael.warshaw]

i was saying puppie dogs, in the way that people have big mouths, then when they see you they dont say anything and act really nice, so my appology if you felt thats what i meant, but its not waht i was saying.

[greg g]

I was referring to your use of retarded...............

[Captain Neon]

Some of us multi-task while at our 5:00 PM to 3:00 AM jobs...

I guess I took the wrong IQ test in school cause I never thought that I was retarded until Michaeil said that we were. My feelings are hurt I think I'm gonna take my 6'2" 275# self and cry in the metal fab shop.

[Ian Morrison]

when ever i look around the flathead 8 motor seems to all over the place. did plymouth only use a 6? why not throw a flathead v8 in athe p15?

Here's the history of the V8 engine http://www.allpar.com/mopar/hemi/chrysler-hemi.html

Why use a Flat Head when you can use a HEMI

[Norm's Coupe]

Actually, I think the original question as to "Why didn't Chrysler Put a V8 in the Plymouth", is a mute one.

Although I don't claim to know all, I do know the answer to this question, and, I know it's the correct answer. The answer is really a simple one, and I don't need to look it up.

Chrysler put a six in the Plymouth for the following reason.

The management at the time decided that's what they wanted to do. So, they did it. Plain and simple.

The same answer applies to any item a manufacturing company decides to make. Of course, the reasons for making those decisions may vary. But.....unless we sat in (or know someone who did) on those meetings and discussions, that's the only reason that we can honestly say is correct. Any other answer is just speculative.

[Plymouthy Adams]

Norm..I wrote a letter to the borad of directors back in the day and asked the same question and was given the answer that the V8 was just a passing phase...and guess what..they have been passing flat heads ever since...excuse me while I go flip some cards in the upright hubcap

[Ian Morrison]

Michael, your dash is actually made of metal that has been painted with a simulated wood grain. There has been loads of discussion here on how it was done and how it can be replicated.

I can't help but laugh...I had the owner of the Ford Dealership at the house and he was quite impressed with the carving I did on the window trim...

[Plymouthy Adams]

no one ever said you had to be car smart to own a dealership..just got to inherit daddy's money

[Norm's Coupe]

Norm..I wrote a letter to the borad of directors back in the day and asked the same question and was given the answer that the V8 was just a passing phase...and guess what..they have been passing flat heads ever since...excuse me while I go flip some cards in the upright hubcap

Tim.........you flip the cards. I'm going to raise my hand now to be excused to go play the keyboard for awhile. That's much more relaxing.

[B-Watson]

Here's the history of the V8 engine http://www.allpar.com/mopar/hemi/chrysler-hemi.html

Why use a Flat Head when you can use a HEMI

Be careful when reading Mr. Redgap's articles. A lot is left to be desired.

First, Walter P. was not upset at his engineers and the Airflow. It was not rushed into production taking the "normal" three years to get into production, albeit late in the model year, and it did not almost bring about DeSoto's or Chrysler's downfall. Given that Chrysler made money every year the Airflow was in production, I suspect Chrysler was not expecting the Airflow to be a big seller. They were prepared for buyer reluctance.

And his story on the hemi and the 1951 Saratoga is pure nonsense. The 1951 Saratoga was introduced in mid-1951 using the Windsor body with the 331 hemi stuffed under the hood. In all body styles - coupe, sedan, wagon and LWB models with no engine options. The author has never answered my questions as to what engine the Saratoga came with if it was purchased without the "optional" hemi.

He also misses the development era where Chrysler purchased a British car with a Riley 4-cylinder hemi for tests and evaluation. That pushed Chrysler into the hemi. Tanks are one thing, but cars they are not.

And both DeSoto and Dodge built their last hemis in 1957. The 1958 Dodge 325 was a poly engine, not hemi. There are other errors but that is getting way off topic.

But as to why no Plymouth V8 in the 1930's? Simple - cost. A flathead straight six is cheaper to produce than a V8 and far more reliable. And a hemi is more expensive than a flathead V8. For all the hoopla over the Ford V8 today, back in the early thirties it was an oil burning, overheating mass of cast iron. The overheating problem would not be conquered until 1949. You could tell an early Ford flathead V8 by the cloud of blue following the car.

On the other hand, the new Plymouth six for 1933 became noted for its reliability and ease of operation right from the first year. The V8 undoubtedly contributed to Ford's loss of 1st spot in sales to Chevrolet, and coupled with Plymouth's flathead six, almost lost #2 to Plymouth by 1941.

Ford introduced a flathead six for 1941 that was as powerful as the V8 but cheaper to run. And that seemed to take the steam out of Plymouth's advance after the war while more modern styling in 1949 and again in 1952, Fordomatic in 1951 and a new ohv six for 1952 did serious damage to Plymouth sales in early 1950's.

Bill

Vancouver, BC