OT-Ted Kennedy Succombs-OT

[randroid]

Gents,

I write this around midnight on Tuesday just after I learned that Ted Kennedy succumbed to brain cancer. I shan't delve into the Kennedy family legacy because not only do many of us remember it first-hand but there's no doubt in my mind there will be enough Kennedy family hype reported by the respectfully stern-faced talking heads of television to give us all our fill. Why I even touch on it now is because last July I mentioned I had a digitally remastered copy of Vaughn Meader's "The First Family"; a parody of JFK's time in office (which JFK loved).

I had some troubles with my recording programs but eventually was able to re-create a copy of that CD for a forum member. He's evidently had some trouble playing it but when we get that straightened out I'll offer additional copies to any members who remember the Kennedys first hand.

I'd like to be able to offer them to everyone who wants one but the truth is that they cost me about $5.00 each to create and ship, and after taking ten working days off per month for the last two months on top of an already abbreviated work schedule I flat can't afford to do that. This isn't a one-time offer because I'll have that original for the rest of my life and when things get better I might be able to offer them for free, but if you want one now I'll need to charge for them. Sorry, for this is the sort of thing that should be shared freely. If anybody knows of a website where I could post the contents of the CD (like the Bucket does pictures) I'll be happy to give you your own free access to it.

In the meantime my prayers of thanks go to the Kennedy family for a direction they tried to aim us.

-Randy

[Don Coatney]

Randy;

I found it

Follow this link.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=vaughn+meader&search_type=

[pflaming]

Never been a supporter of this family, none of them!

[Plymouthy Adams]

guess there are many things to remember Ted by..this is the one that I think of every time I hear his name...

http://www.911familiesforamerica.org/images/maryjo1969.jpg

[wayfarer]

Never been a supporter of this family, none of them!

Ditto......

[Don Coatney]

Not a matter of supporting this family. I dont support them but I do respect them. No one in my family ever presided over a country or entered into any other form of political office. I do respect those who have done so even though I do not support them.

And let me say this about that, the First family parody is as funny now as it was when I first heard it in the early 60's.

[pflaming]

Old Joe Kennedy reportedly gained his fortune through a lot of illegal business, then used that money to influence (buy) political clout for his sons. John was a philanderer on a major scale, so was Robert and Ted so none lived moral lives. The Kennedy fortune has evaded taxes yet promoted taxation to pay for their ''dreams" of a better nation. I find it impossible to respect that kind of leadership.

[greg g]

Fortunes gained through illegal business, so i guess thats different from the Rockerfellers, Bushes, Cheneys, Romneys, and others. I am relieved to learn that their fortunes are untainted without undue leverage, intimidation, inside information, and or improper greasing of certain skids along the way.

Everyone in politics over the rank of dog catcher regardless to politcal leanings is as corrupting and corruptable as the next.

And lets not play the morality card in light of the recent list of family value espowsing senators and congressmen and governors who have recently been hoist on their own petards, on both sides of the political aisle. Monkey see monkey do.

Can we not as humans at least extend some sympathy for thier children and families.

[pflaming]

Your point is well taken, tradgically so, our politicians, by and large are not models to emulate. I do sympathize and pray for their families, but I still do not have to respect them, they wrote and lived their history and we have the choice to respect or not. I am not going to further this discussion, the forum is a positive one based on trucks and I like that. Sorry if I have spoken out of line.

[Joe Flanagan]

I think what galls a lot of people about the Kennedys is that they are perceived by many to be virtuous and wholesome, or somehow above the normal behavior of politicians. They weren't. I think a lot of people believe the Kennedys always got a pass in spite of their behavior. I grew up in Hyannis--NOT Hyannisport, mind you--Hyannis, which is a much poorer cousin. Nowhere was the Kennedy hype bigger than my home town. It is hard for people to accept that the Kennedys were flawed. Add to that the fact that two of them were assassinated and martyred for all practical purposes. That always made it difficult to criticize them, I think. The American public loves soap operas and they don't have a royal family so the Kennedys were the next best thing. But to be honest about it, they were gifted and charismatic and underhanded and arrogant all at the same time. Just my opinion. Let the flaming begin.

[claybill]

there are positive sides and negative sides to highly visable people.

it is easy to dwell on the negative issues especially in hindsight, easier when they dont involve oneself. do the current senators and politicians most high know something we dont know as they laud his tenure.?

bill

[Captain Neon]

there are positive sides and negative sides to highly visable people.

it is easy to dwell on the negative issues especially in hindsight, easier when they dont involve oneself. do the current senators and politicians most high know something we dont know as they laud his tenure.?

bill

The reason our politicians all laud Teddy Kennedy now that he is gone is because fundamentally they all agree with the Kennedy legacy of using government as their own personal piggybank to buy votes and campaign contributions. It is only the summer before Election Day where politicians become all Patriotic and virtuous.

They laud his tenure because they all hope to be as powerful, get away with as much, and maintain political office as long as he did. It matters not which political party as I knew several people that are now Congressmen, including a Presidential candidate, when they were junior state legislators, and other politicians when they were college students in the '90s. Plotted with some and got into arguments with the others.

I've also plumbed the depths of the "principled" third-parties and realise that they too really only want to tell the voters lies so that they can get elected. The only difference between the typical third-party political hack is that they failed miserably at the game when they were in one of the majour parties.

Is everyone running for office corrupt? No, not all. However, one has to look a really long time to find some one with the charisma to garner enough support to get ballot access while still remaining principled. I've only met a handful of such individuals. Unfortunately, their experiences having run for office have soured them terribly on the whole process.

The days of statesmen holding office died with the likes of Millard Fillmore, and his refusal to join Lincoln's Republican Party.

[Captain Neon]

I'm not spending some one else's money that I have taken at the point of a gun. That is the difference. It is very easy to be generous with some one else's money.

Just because that is how things work nowadays doesn't mean that I have to think it is good. It is esp. bad since that isn't how things were supposed to be.

[greg g]

If it were a pure system would any one in there right minds feel it's OK to need to raise millions of dollars to campaign for a job that pays 150,000 per year.

If the fish stinks at the tail, it very likely will stink at the head. And I do believe there has been a mighty smell eminating from our centers of government for a good numbersof years, locally, as well as at the state and national level.

[Captain Neon]

Capt,. I don't know if you are serious with your posts are having a laugh. You seem disatisfied with both parties and third parties. If you are serious in these views, I got to pity you. You are never going to be too happy. I don't see any hope. There have been groups, minorities, women, and others who have struggled for their rights. It was and is a long haul. We have moved forward. Some would like to see some other changes. Some would like to roll back the clock. We do that too. But You can be pretty assured that your dream ain't happening on this planet ever. I don't mean to be harsh but every possible opportunity that a thread here gives you, you take to vent. I hope you really aren't this unhappy. It can be difficult to determine mood on the internet. You got to think more like the Italians, governments come and go. Family and good food and wine are what matters most of all. Eric

Ignorance is bliss. Knowledge is power.

I'm happy as long as I'm not lied to that government is the solution. Your logic is as foolish as telling a woman that's been raped and abused that she she should be happy that she hasn't been mutilated, maimed, and killed, yet.

Lincoln didn't free the slaves. He merely expanded the size of the plantation and made government the master. Should I be happy to be a serf?

[Joe Flanagan]

I think I have to agree with Capt. Neon on this one. To me, it seems like it's all careerism and opportunism. We don't have civil servants, we have career politicians. They'll say any damn thing you want to hear. And this goes for both parties. I never watch the state of the union address, no matter who is president. I never listen to official statements or speeches or anything of that nature. It's all spin and PR. The real action happens where you can't hear it or see it. If anyone tried to come in and really change things, they wouldn't last a week. They'd threaten the system too much. My brother once worked on Capitol Hill and he told me that they might as well put a big red light on the front of the building because as far as he was concerned, it was the biggest whore house in the country.

That said, I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. Show me the perfect system. They're all messy.

If Mary Jo meets Ted at the pearly gates, he's going to have a problem.

[Lou Earle]

I am appalled at this thread.

I have nicely said before our purpose here is not to engage in politics or political opinions yet here we are doing it again. I will not delve into this rhetoric- no useful thoughts or actions will result- every one of you has your minds made up- that is fine but politics and social views has no business here

In a word or 3 words - STOP IT NOW- if you do not I can pretty well guarantee the demise of this site. I saw this exact same thing happen on an A model site- now pretty well defunct-I was one of the ones who left the site. Politics and social views are outside issues- Please keep them outside not inside this great site.

Thanks

Lou

[Dennis Hemingway]

I'm with Lou on this. Politics and/or political opinions have no business here.

PLEASE LET THIS POST DIE.

Dennis:eek:

[BeBop138]

guess there are many things to remember ted by..this is the one that i think of every time i hear his name...

http://www.911familiesforamerica.org/images/maryjo1969.jpg

ditto ! ! !

[randroid]

Gents,

I began this thread with an offer of a rare CD, not to create political rhetoric, and I came to be of the opinion that the whole thing be deleted, but I can't find where to delete it in 'Edit'.

Perhaps GTK will delete it for me.

-Randy

[Don Coatney]

Gents,

I began this thread with an offer of a rare CD, not to create political rhetoric, and I came to be of the opinion that the whole thing be deleted, but I can't find where to delete it in 'Edit'.

Perhaps GTK will delete it for me.

-Randy

Randy;

Read my first response to this thread.