Another toy for the toy box

[Normspeed]

Well, it all happened real quick. My son and I were out visiting today and taking a few photos, and I realized my ex-father-in-law's old tractor was sitting in this yard with a couple of old trailers. (It ran when parked:D)

One thing led to another, and next thing I know, I bought the darned thing! Apparently they stopped using it when the battery failed. They say there is no generator or alternator on it and it just runs til the battery dies. It has the original hand crank and will supposedly start with that.

Anyone know tractors? I think it's a Ford?

[Norm's Coupe]

Have no clue as to the make. However, there are a lot of tractor sites on the web just like we have for cars. Do a search and you should find one that looks like this one. There are also tractor books that should show it. Looks like the ex father in law should have known what kind of tractor he had.

Now how you gonna get those two girls from Hooter's on that thing to give them a ride?

[greg g]

Don't think its a Ford. Case maybe? sheet metal bear some resemblance.

[Normspeed]

Yeah Greg, that looks like it. Is Allis Chalmers the same as Case?

Norm, I figure the old fella knew what kind of tractor he had, but he passed away a year or two back. It's his old tractor for sure, just been passed to a new owner and now to me since then.

It looks like a 4 cylinder OHV motor.

Edit: The Hooters gals will have to sit on my lap I guess.

[pflaming]

Greg's picture is the same tractor. Dad had one, I mowed a lot of hay with it and cultivated a lot of corn. It is a model 45 Allis-Chalmers. I think White tractor / truck bought them out in the 70's.

[Don Coatney]

What you really need is a Mopar powered CUSTOM.

[1940plymouth]

Yesterday's Tractors is a great site for information and help on the old tractors.

By the way, Massey-Harris tractors used the Chrysler industrial flathead engines in their tractors

[dirty dan]

Normspeed,

I have it on good authority that the tractor is an authentic Hoyt-Clagwell.

They are very rare.

Parts may still be available from a man named Haney who lives in a small town not far from Lexington, KY.

[pflaming]

I disagree: It is identical to Dad's WD 45 Allis Chalmers. The A-C had an oil clutch and was perfect for hay balers and cattle feeder wagons where the speed had to be irregular even though the PTO remained steady.

It is not a rare tractor but a nice one to fix up. Good buy if you are into tractors. Its a great mowing tractor!

[wallytoo]

i believe it's an allis-chalmers wd, not a wd 45.

[Grandadeo]

So, Farmer Boy, what you gone and got yourself into this time? Looks like a neat toy. Tim says he wants one too. I just have a few questions:

1) That thang gunna have a HEMI?

2) Are you and Rick going to name it Alice? I'd think that one over a bit, you might both be sleeping in the double wide.

3) What you boys plannin on cultivatin?

Here's a few links that I came up with doing a Allis Chalmers WD google search:

I don't think this one is up for a youtube award but it shows a lot of close-up detail'

http://allis-chalmers.magnify.net/video/allis-chalmers-wd-1951-walk-aro

Some how this one reaches into the future and shows you and Rick hard at it in a few years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ6OY9cjzI4

A-C WD Pics

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/5936428

More A-C WD Pics.

http://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=5427390&GUID=1e3c1c551f0c4ee88efe5c894eef2bbd

You two have fun now, ya hear.

Lee

[greg g]

yep meant ac typed case. The wd series was one of the most popular at 90K+ units. Built with either tricycle or rowcrop front wheel aggangements. they were about 30 to 40 HP depending on when they were built. Parts should still be available. Would be easy to convert to a GM 1 wire alternator.

Tractorshed.com is also a good resource.

I have an acre and a half that I mow during the summer, would love to have one of these or simalar for that chore.

[greg g]

I believe your tractor is a model WC.

Another thought. If it has a hand crank, it might also have a magneto style ignition that shouldn't be dependent on the battery. Might check that big distributor assembly and see if there is a switch that might be engaged to provide for magneto operation. If it is a mag should be Fairbanks morse, there may be a switch near the ammeter, that says mag/Bat or mag on off.

Many were retro fitted after production to run on the bat and use the mag as a dizzy but it looks like yours has this type of deal.

check this out. this site deals with a smaller tractor but the electrical and many of the mechanical system should be similar lots of good info'

http://www.worldpath.net/~thompson/

http://www.worldpath.net/~thompson/acb/magtiming/magtiming.htm

[Normspeed]

Great info. I'm thinking this will actually be useful when I finally get moved into my own place here in NM. I did some online searches last night and I think it may be an Allis Chalmers Model RC. I won't know til I get it home and check the numbers. The RC was made from 1938-41 and had a smaller motor than the W series but was the same other than that.

Dan, if it's a Hoyt-Clagwell, I'm in high cotton. Me and Arnold Ziffel's pig will be doin some cultivatin'!

[Norm's Coupe]

Yeah Greg, that looks like it. Is Allis Chalmers the same as Case?

Norm, I figure the old fella knew what kind of tractor he had, but he passed away a year or two back. It's his old tractor for sure, just been passed to a new owner and now to me since then.

It looks like a 4 cylinder OHV motor.

Edit: The Hooters gals will have to sit on my lap I guess.

Norm,

The subject line of this thread says "Another Toy for the toy box". Where are going to find a toy box big enough to fit a tractor into?

As for the Hooter gals. That would be a "Hoot" (pun intended) to see them on your lap as you work the pedals riding through the field.

[RobertKB]

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As for the Hooter gals. That would be a [b']"Hoot"[/b] (pun intended) to see them on your lap as you work the pedals riding through the field.

I don't think he will be working pedals!

[pflaming]

Look at one of the pictures in the first post. It shows a crank on the fender so it could have a magnito. Seems the tractor dad had did NOT have lights, but it did have a starter. Had to have the gear in neutral for the starter to work, if my recollection is correct.

[Normspeed]

I got another look at it yesterday. It has one of those Fairbanks Morse Magnetos like in Greg's photo. We went over there to see about starting it up to drive back to my place since there are gravel roads and open desert trails all the way for several miles. It was late afternoon, cold, with a 30+ mph wind, so I decided to fight the starting battle another day. I can see I'll need to do a complete new wiring system, the old stuff is beyond bad. Should be pretty simple to make up. The magneto/plug wiring looks good though. My son suggested we pull start it with a tow strap, but I think we'll just load it on the flatbed and tow it home. I don't even know what the gear pattern is on the gearbox. Once I find out which model I have, I can order up a manual. I saw some on the old tractor site. This is gonna be fun!

[greg g]

If I remember correctly form driving old tractors, is its a three speed. with a standard "H" pattern with reverse at 11 oclock 2nd at 1,

low at 70 and 3rd at 5. Some had a reverse pattern with reverse at 5 first at 2 2nd at 11 and third at 7. But the way these were geared it probably doesn't make much difference as long as you differentiat between reverse and forward.

if I recall 1st is good for about 2mph, 2nd is about 4 and hig about 7.

operating rpm is probably 1200.

[dirty dan]

Great info. I'm thinking this will actually be useful when I finally get moved into my own place here in NM. I did some online searches last night and I think it may be an Allis Chalmers Model RC. I won't know til I get it home and check the numbers. The RC was made from 1938-41 and had a smaller motor than the W series but was the same other than that.

Dan, if it's a Hoyt-Clagwell, I'm in high cotton. Me and Arnold Ziffel's pig will be doin some cultivatin'!

I was wondering if anyone was going to catch that. As I recall there were only two of those made, the other being on a farm somewhere in Soviet Russia. The Hoyt-Clagwell partnership disolved because their wives didn't get along.

[greg g]

The Green Acres tractor was supposedly a Hoyt Clagwell. It was however a victim of the prop department makeover. It was a Ferguson disguised to look the part.

Could it be because Ford was a sponsor of the show???

[Normspeed]

I checked the numbers and it appears to be a 1939 Allis Chalmers Model WC with the narrow front end setup. Seems to be all there, but it will be a while before it's ready to run. Gas tank needs a cleanout. There's a nice covering of oil and desert dust over everything. Check the oil pressure gauge, it's a shame to mess with such well preserved gunk:D

We towed it home with my son's F150 and with 30 PSI in the tires, it nearly jounced my kidneys out. We stopped part way home and dropped the tire pressure to 10 and that helped. The seat has a spring and shock absorber but it wasn't adjusted very well. First thought was to name it the nut buster. I wound up standing up to steer for the last couple miles. Not an easy task at the speed we were towing it.

http://s95.photobucket.com/albums/l144/nhcarter1/Videos/?action=view&current=tractorday1049.flv

As the photos show, it has car tires on the front and truck tires on the rear. They will be fine for now but somewhere down the road it would be nice to go back to the tractor tires.

All in all, a good find and I really look forward to cleaning the old gal up and putting her back to work.

[greg g]

Looks like fun. I see there is still some A/C Persimmon paint on it. Sheet metal doesn't look to bad. Oil filter looks like a recent upgrade. I'm gonna bet afeter you get the undercoatney scraped off that engine is gonna look alost brandie new.

[Grandadeo]

Knowing Rick, I figured he would have towed you at about 70 MPH laughing all the way. Bet you guys are going to have a lot of fun with this project. What was it's original color?

Lee

[Frank Elder]

Nice slicks! Must not need too much traction in the southwest..lol