1942 Dodge blackout

[Brendan D25]

This ad was in Old Autos, Oct. 06 issue. It might be of some interest of someone here, I have no connection with the seller. "Dodge 1942,Blackout 4door project or parts car, no title-$1,000 OBO. Phone 519-745-6811, Kitchener, Ontario.

[Normspeed]

Could be a real find for a blackout fan.

[Brendan D25]

I bumped it up so you won't have to search. Brendan.

[knuckleharley]

This ad was in Old Autos, Oct. 06 issue. It might be of some interest of someone here, I have no connection with the seller. "Dodge 1942,Blackout 4door project or parts car, no title-$1,000 OBO. Phone 519-745-6811, Kitchener, Ontario.

Thanks,I just called him about buying the grille. He's thinking about it.

It's a Canadian grille instead of a US grille,but if it's not dented or pitted and I can buy it,it will be better than no grille at all.

[40phil41]

Thanks,I just called him about buying the grille. He's thinking about it.

It's a Canadian grille instead of a US grille,but if it's not dented or pitted and I can buy it,it will be better than no grille at all.

FYIW, I don't know about 42's but my '41 Canadian Dodge has a different sized grille than the US '41. Even though they appear to be the same the Canadian version has 2 more horizontal bars than the US one and they are not interchangeable. Better be certain before you buy. However, there were a small number of '41 US style Dodges built in Canada. If '42 was the same then you just need to verify the car model numbers. If the model numbers are the same then the grille should fit.

Phil

[knuckleharley]

FYIW, I don't know about 42's but my '41 Canadian Dodge has a different sized grille than the US '41. Even though they appear to be the same the Canadian version has 2 more horizontal bars than the US one and they are not interchangeable. Better be certain before you buy. However, there were a small number of '41 US style Dodges built in Canada. If '42 was the same then you just need to verify the car model numbers. If the model numbers are the same then the grille should fit.

Phil

I know for a fact that the Canadian and the US grilles are different. I have 2/3rds of both in NOS. I am missing the center section for the US grille,and the passenger side for the Canadian grille. And you are correct,the parts don't interechange because they have different numbers of bars and they bolt together differently. I am assuming that either will still bolt to 42 fenders,though. Too late for me to check because I already have the front clip off of mine. Of course,if I have to,I can make them fit.

[JIPJOBXX]

Here is a 42 Canadian Dodge Blackout notice the running lights up by the hood? Jon

[knuckleharley]

Here is a 42 Canadian Dodge Blackout notice the running lights up by the hood? Jon

Looks like the turn signals are above the grille instead of beside it. I THINK they call that the "top grille bar",but it's actually separate piece that bolts on over top of the grille. I guess the light bucket is in the upper fender area instead of the lower fender area.

Actually,I'm starting to think the Canadian version looks better than the US version.

[B-Watson]

I know for a fact that the Canadian and the US grilles are different. I have 2/3rds of both in NOS. I am missing the center section for the US grille,and the passenger side for the Canadian grille. And you are correct,the parts don't interechange because they have different numbers of bars and they bolt together differently. I am assuming that either will still bolt to 42 fenders,though. Too late for me to check because I already have the front clip off of mine. Of course,if I have to,I can make them fit.

Chrysler of Canada built Dodges in two sizes - a smaller Dodge based on the Plymouth and a larger one the same as in the U.S.

The Plymouth-based Dodge used a grille that was not interchangeable with the American Dodge from 1939 through 1952 as the U.S. Dodge did not share bodies with Plymouth. (Actually, the 1940 Dodge did, but the front clip was 2" longer than the Plymouth and nothing interchanged.)

The American Dodge built in Canada, called the Custom from 1942 through 1950, was virtually identical to the American Dodge Custom/Coronet of the same year. The engine was the big difference.

The 1942 Dodge (model D23) with the parking lights up above the grille is the small Plymouth based Dodge. Actually, the parking lights are Plymouth units. After the war the Canadian Plymouth-based Dodge used parking lights similar to the U.S. Dodge.

The U.S. Dodge DeLuxe/Custom and Canadian Dodge Custom were model D22 and their grilles do interchange. The centre support bar is different, though. Not sure what the differences are although the parts book says the U.S. version comes in white and the Canadian in black.

The 1934 to 1938 and the 1953 to 1959 Plymouth-based Dodges shared the front clip with Dodge as Plymouth and Dodge shared bodies. The differences in wheelbase between the two was in the bodies for those years (except 1934 coupes, I believe).

Bill

Vancouver, BC

[Brendan D25]

I was on Hemmings website and found Jon's 42 on there and a blue 42. Looking at the pic of the blue one and there is quite a difference in the grille than the one posted above, even the headlight frames are different. Brendan.

[knuckleharley]

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The American Dodge built in Canada, called the Custom from 1942 through 1950, was virtually identical to the American Dodge Custom/Coronet of the same year. The engine was the big difference.

...The U.S. Dodge DeLuxe/Custom and Canadian Dodge Custom were model D22 and their grilles do interchange. The centre support bar is different, though. Not sure what the differences are although the parts book says the U.S. version comes in white and the Canadian in black.

Bill,just to be clear,are you saying the grilles from the big Canadian 42 Dodges and the US 42 Dodges have the same number of bars and look alike,or are you saying they both fit in the same openings?

[knuckleharley]

I was on Hemmings website and found Jon's 42 on there and a blue 42. Looking at the pic of the blue one and there is quite a difference in the grille than the one posted above, even the headlight frames are different. Brendan.

How did you find the photos? Do you have a URL?

[Brendan D25]

www.hemmings.com is the site and you go into owners pics. Brendan.

[B-Watson]

Bill,just to be clear,are you saying the grilles from the big Canadian 42 Dodges and the US 42 Dodges have the same number of bars and look alike,or are you saying they both fit in the same openings?

The part numbers for U.S. and Canadian 1942 Dodge D22 models are the same - the grilles are therefore the same and interchangeable. As well, the front fenders and front end sheet metal is the same for U.S. 1942 Dodge DeLuxe/Custom and Canadian Dodge Custom models except for the support bar by the hood latch and the lower panel between the radiator and the bumper, undoubtedly due to the radiator being farther forward on the Canadian Dodge to make room for the 25" engine block.

The blue Dodge in the Hemmings collection is an American Dodge Custom. The photos shown in the article by Cars & Parts is the Plymouth-based Dodge D23 DeLuxe/Special DeLuxe model. NOTHING interchanges between the Plymouth-based D23 and the bigger D22 model.

Instead of comparing the Cars & Parts 1942 Dodge D23 with an American Dodge, compare it with a 1942 Plymouth P14. You will see where the headlamps, taillamps and parking lights on the D23 came from.

In the case of the 1942 Dodge D23, the one in the Cars & Parts article, the parking light lens and housings are the same as used on the 1942 Plymouth P14, but the grille and its surround is different. The two will interchange as a whole, though. In other words you cannot mix and match 1942 Dodge D23 and 1942 Plymouth P14 grille parts.

You can mix and match American and Canadian 1942 Dodge D22 grille parts, though. But not D22 and D23 grille parts.

Bill

Vancouver, BC

[knuckleharley]

In the case of the 1942 Dodge D23, the one in the Cars & Parts article, the parking light lens and housings are the same as used on the 1942 Plymouth P14, but the grille and its surround is different. The two will interchange as a whole, though. In other words you cannot mix and match 1942 Dodge D23 and 1942 Plymouth P14 grille parts.

You can mix and match American and Canadian 1942 Dodge D22 grille parts, though. But not D22 and D23 grille parts.

Bill

Vancouver, BC

I guess the NOS Canadian grille I bought came from a D23,then. It has fewer bars than the grille that was in the car.

[B-Watson]

I guess the NOS Canadian grille I bought came from a D23,then. It has fewer bars than the grille that was in the car.

The grille for the Plymouth-based D-23 has the upper moulding with the parking lights, the lower bar that wraps around the side of thr front fender, and four bars between the two.

On the larger D-22, there is a large upper moulding to the grille, but the parking lights are located below the headlamps and the lowest grille bar also wraps around the side of the front fenders. There are six grille bars between the upper moulding and the lowest bar on the D-22. Needless to say, the D-22 grille bars are thinner in cross section than those on the D-23.

By the way, the four side grille bars on the D-23 are similar to the Plymouth P-14's four grille bars, but are shorter as the centre section on the D-23 is wider than that on the P-14.

Bill

Vancouver, BC

[diskman13]

Just discovered the forum yesterday , but sure could of used you two years ago

I found my granddads 1942 canadian dodge blackout model after years of searching. Now it is in the final phases of restoration back to its original stock configuration.

[diskman13]

in the garage before the body work and painting

[diskman13]

here is the grill

[P-12 Tommy]

Cool car!

Tom

[Reg Evans]

Yes, the Canadian version is a little different than my US 42.

Still looking for the correct front bumper

[JIPJOBXX]

Gee another blackout and this is about the third one I have seen or know about.

[Young Ed]

Yes, the Canadian version is a little different than my US 42.

Still looking for the correct front bumper

As with the canadian 46-48 D25 that car pictured is largely plymouth based. The grill is very similar to a 42 plymouth.

[diskman13]

does anyone have a full version of the article by richard spiegelman below they could scan and email to me?

[440roadrunner]

WOW... For all practical purposes, that `42 Canadian Dodge is a Plymouth, save for the center grill and hood ornament. Bumpers, tail lights, trim, etc...

I have a P14C, and have had a P14(Deluxe) as well. Both pre-blackout.

Jim