desoto1939

you saw correctly, a lot of spaces were empty this year. Talked to a lot of vendors and they were also saying the same thing. Lots of lookers and most people not buying. Yes prices will be high at Hershey. Figure a spots costs about 85$. So we had two spots a porta potty for 140+$ travel costs and food and of coarse beer. My budding travels in from St Lois so he also has extra trvel and gas fees more than I do since I am only about 2 hrs max from Hershey. So two spots 170 + 140 eq 310 even before we sell anything, plus the food and the gas. Now figure how far some of the venders come from and the vacation time or if they own a business and it s closed. So yes there is a lot of money spent to get there so they are trying to at lest break even and or possibly make some money. Rich Hartung desoto1939@aol.com

Update: Well Hershey was basically a rain out. It was overcast on Wednesday. It started to pour on Thursday afternoon and continues all night and into Friday Morning. We backup since it was called for 70% rain Fridays and around 50% for Saturday. A lot of the vendors left on Thursday evening. Better luck next year. Rich Hartung

Ok last time to let everyone know that if you need a rest stop if you are at the AACA Eastern Fall Meet in Hershey PA you can visit me at Choclocate Field North row C4E site number 28 we are near the light post 45. My other partner is Mike. If you are in the field stop and say hello and sit down for a rest. Cell phone 484-431-8157 Rich HArtung Desoto1939@aol.com

I have seen this before, but what is really amasing is how well the tires held up to all of the punishment. We have all been told over the years that the tires back then were not were well made and that flats were an every day occurance. Look at all that rugged terrain that the car and the wheel took going over the cliff and then being flip over. So I guess the tires then were pretty good quality and as the old Timex commercial stated they took a licken but kept on ticking ard rolling along. The early dodge trucks were know for their dependibility thats why Gen Pershing used them when he was going after Poncho Villa in Mexico. I think thats the last name of the guy he was chasing. Oh well speaks well for the Dodge Brosthers cars. Dodge sold many trans and rears to good old Henry Ford inthe early years, so I guess Ford knew the better components all along. Rich Hartung desoto1939@aol.com.

Jim Here is a link to the runningboards that our club member in MAryland used for his Plymouth. New metal and vulcanized matting for 575. I know my money and not yours. http://www.hotrodssuperstore.com/vulrunboar.html Rich HArtung

Don: i am basing my reply on the year of the car being a 49 and no visible filter. During those years the dealers were doing alot of the serviceinh onthe cars and also assuming that they would use the proper oil of a straight weight oiland also sin cethe owners manual was delivered with the car the owner would use the recommended oil. Buying a new car back then was a big deal so most people and I will say with tongue in cheek that most people valued their cars because it was a major expense. Again just trying to provide some insight on the oil, but no one and including you can know for cetain what was used in the car. Even if I sold you my 2011 volvo you would not know what oil I used and or even my daughter 2011 Ford Fusion. But most people would try to figure out what was recommended and go by that knowledge. But I am not the all knowing and do not have a crystal ball to look into the past, but as some people have stated you like to attack other people posting and replies. I have stated this in the past about you and you have not gotten the idea that most people are trying to be helpful to the other forum members when seeking information. So I willmake it a point not to replay to any of your posts since I have the feeling that if someone goesd against your opinion than they know nothing and do not have any opinion. So tell my have spark plugs I am currently running in my 39 Desoto, but I really do not care if you can gues or even if you do reply I do not care for you flipped remarks. So stay in the South and be some what flipped, most members do not like your candid remarks. But i guess you have the all knowing knowledge ball. I try to provide help when I can, but i get the feeling that the only knowledge that counts is only your opinion and I say again your opinion. Take care and if you do come up to Hershey plese do not stop at my site you are not welcome. Rich Hartung Desoto19392aol.com

If you do a complete rebuild of the pin and trunion u joint then yes get a new neoprean CV joint cover . you will have to do some research to get the correct size opening at both ends and then use the modern screw type hoe clamp. I would suggest that you use a stainless steel clamp so the unit does not get rust from any water and grime from being under the car. Then you can un loosen and check for grease in the body. ALso tape the body for a grease fitting so you can grease the inside every year. The new neoprean CV boots can withstand the newer grease as compared to the old rubber boots. Rich HArtung desoto1939@aol.com.

Since your car did not have an original filter system i would then assume that the previous owners used straight weight oil W30 or W20. These were not detergent based oils. Has the engine been rebuilt, if not then I would not recommend going to a detergent type oil such as 10W30.. This will loosen up the build up of sludge inthe bottom of the oil pan. You need to determine what yoy had. You can add the filter system but stay with the straight weight oil so as not to distrub the old sludge buildup that could be in the bottom of the oil pan. Others are going to chime in on this and they will also say the same thing. My 39 Desoto had the optional throwaway canister oil can style but i converted to the metal canister with the dropin filter becasue of the price. Rich Hartung Desoto1939@aol.com

Hint Look on ebay under u joints and you will find the leather covers. As stated above the NOS rubber covers are 50+ years old and they fall apart when they get put on the cars no and when the oil and grease hit them they do not stand up to the oil. rich hartung

I guess BT Barnum was right about a fool parting with his money.

Sounds as if there was a lot of money that parted hands. As you sttaed above they are only original once and as soon as you change something then the originality is lost. All will have to have work done to them. I saw that 4 pencils sold for 100 dollars. I think there definately was the bidding war going on and people got caught up in the bidding and did not think about the true price they were paying for an item. The old mentality is that I have to have it at any cost. So someone will see the pencils sitting in a box sometime later and say I need a pencil to write something and then sharpen it and use it. Its just an old pencil from some old Chevy Dealership that went out of busin es who cares. So they used it at the cost of 25 dollars and they could care less. Just think about this aspect of the auction. Yes some cars are worth money but this was out of my league. Rich HArtung Desoto1939@aol.com

Most of the mopar suppliers do not have the correct pattern for the runningboards. They sell a generic matting but they still need to be heat valcunized to really stay on the meatal. I would byt the set that Rodney used instead of going witht he total hassle of removing the old material sand lasing and then trying to get them to form to the correct patten. Also then you will have two different patterns on the car if you only do one side. I know cost is a big thing, but if you want to play sometimes we all need to pay. Rich HArtung

If you use a good glue like gator glue it will stick to the metal on the door frame and also on the door panel board. The use of the velcro makes it easier to insatll the panel to the door frame. You can cut your holes for the door and window cranks with the shapenend endge of a pipe. I like to use a threaded end and then i can take my file to the last thread and sharpen it. I then put a cap on the other end and then strike the pipe with my hammer to cut a perfect circle. You can get all diffenet pipe diameters at you local Home Depot. On mu 39 desoto you have the two screw monting bolts for the armrest and then a small srew that hold the end of the door handel shaft in place. The only other method of holding the panel in place are the spring clips adn they rust and again if you do not cur the holes inthe proper location then you have issues. With velco you can put an real nice line at the bottom and sides. Then when you want to take the panels off you start with a thin blade putty knife and start to peel back the two sections of the dood panel. Yes you need to take your time but you still need to take you time with the old style metal clips and then these also fall out from the backer board. Just adding in my suggestions not a expert but have good ideas and this is how I am going to do it on my car. I also use velcro to hold my rugs in place on the floor. I use Contact cement to hold the two parts on the metal floor and on to the rubber backing on the rug. I do this on the fron carpet since it has to mount up agains the contor of teh floor. This works very well for me also. Rich Hartung Desoto1939@aol.com

The kick panels as Plymouthy states are just plain colored cardboard, and the color that you use is at your picking. Usually they are similar to the color of the upholstery. The originals would of also had a piece of trim material sticted to the end of the kickpanels. There should be two to three mounting screws that would also have a small concave washer. The concave washer protects the kickpannel and from over tightening the screww and then pushing throught the cardboard. The door panel are a heavier cardboard sheet that is black and has some wwaterproofing on the cardboard. I know a lot of people have a sheet of plastic glued to the back of the board to prevent the water and moisture that runs down the widow opening from getting the board wet and then soaking the new upholstery. Other also do not resure the old style clips that hold the cardboard becasue you also have to cut home in the board in the correct locations. Then when you push the board back into place would do have an issue that the clip end can then push out and then you do not have a smooth looking door panel. So to prevent this most resorters are using velcro to hold the panel in place. Thery glue one pice to the frame of the door also the endges and then in other sectiion to insure that it is a tight fit. Also the nice part about using velcon is that you can take the door panel off the door with out having to pryout the old clips and you can reposition the panel if it is crooked. Musch smooth effect. USe the newer techniques since noone will be looking behind the panels. The more upto date methods are better than the older methods in some aspects. You might beable to do the same with the kickpanels. You only plan to do the upholstery once so make it easy on your self. Rich Hartung Desoto1939@aol.com

Rodney got all new boards and correct ruber on the boards from a company I think in Ohio. The cost of the boards and new rubber was about the same as if you sent Adoff Huxley in georgia and had them revalcanized on your original boards. I saw the pictures of the boards that Rodney got and they looked real good and he stated that they bolted right upto his frame without any major issues. Rich Hartung desoto1939@aol.com

This morning our local car club had a tour of the Dave Markel Car Collection that is located in Skippack Pa. Dave has a collection of over 150 classic cars and motocycles. In the first garage he had on display the Juan Fangion 1935 Alfa Romeo Tipo159s grand prix racer, 1935 MG K3 le Mans racer, 1961 Alfa Romeo Giulietta sprint and 1956 serie III Shelby GT 500 with a Rouse engine. The second garage is the house of Great Britten which included the 1936 R_R 25/30 coupe known as the Honeymoon express, the Lena Horn 1950 Jaguar MK350 road racer and other stunning example of British motor cars and a Morgan 3 wheeler. The third garage had a 1929 Stutz Blackhawk. 1931 Oakland 1930 Willeys Knight and several motorcycles. The 4th garage is the Classics Garage included 1932 Auburn V12 boattail speedster 1931 Cord L89 1934 Parkard Vitora by Dietrich 1935 Bowman-Schwartz coach built Chrysler Airstream 8 roadster, 1931 LeBaron built Chrysler CG Imperial Roadster Packard 1105 Dual Cowl Sport Phaeton The Germany garage housed a 1952 BMW R51/3 1956 Porche 1961 BWM R26 and the Tony Curtis 1955 Mercedes Benz 300SL Gull wing. The nice part about this collection is that these cars are driven to events and are still being used on a regular basis. Pictures are attached over several posting. When we arrived at the site we were greeted by a Packard Darrin and they drove this car to each spate garage. If you send me your email address I will send the pictures to everyone. I keep getting the message tht when I try to attach a single picture the file is to big. Rich Hartung desoto1939@aol.com

tHIS CAR HAS A new interior. I say this because the kickpanels that you can see onthe driverside is cloth covered and They used a cardboard kickpanel on these cars. At least that is what they had on my 39 Desoto and the Desoto was a higher priced car than the Dodge, You can also see in some area new wiring. Also the wiring in the engine compartment is to bright and new lokking. The red and white striped wires are to bright for being original and would be waded and dull. I looked at the headline and that also does not seem to be original. Nice price for the car and looks to be a solid car. Also the rims have been painted and there are no pin stripes on the rim. Just what I could pickup not being a dodge ownere but I would do other research on the cars original features if you were going to buy it. Rich HArtung desoto1939@aol.com

Yes they use rubber lines in the modern cars, but they try to keep the length of the rubber fuel line to a minimum. In our old cars that is a very long run up from the front of the engine to the top of the manifold and then the rubber line needs to be secured so it does not have any opportunity to make contact with the manifold and then melt the line and then cause the fuel to be pushed on to the hot engine and then the car catches fire and you lsot your car all for the saving of a few bucks. When you have a very short run the the hard metal line is clamped to be stationary and the rubber gives a little for some flex but not the entire run from the gas tank upto the carb or fuel injectors. Rich Hartung Desoto1939@aol.com

Here is another question about fuel lines. The original fule line in my 39 Desoto is a bent line that has two bends link in a French Curve one at the bottom by the FP coming up and then the opposite curve to go into the Carb. I was thinking of make a new line byt with 90 bends with the brass connecters. But then got to thinking is the original style with the bend made this was so that when the engine twist or moves the fuel line and then also take the stress of the slight movement VS if the lines where all straight then you do not get any flex and then have a possibility of the line fatigueing and getting a break of leak. Does anyone have any opinions on this topic. Rich HArtung Desoto1939@aol.com

I know I helped my friend with his 39 Desoto and was able to tell him the size of the crush washer that went on his 39 Desoto. They come in various sizes. He got his from a local NAPA store in Maryland. When I get home I will check my wagner brake book. This is why having the various catalogs that i have collected and also on CD come in handy. The reference material is priceless for answer questions. The cost of the various CDs are reasonable for your reference library. I know I am doing a sales pitch but only so much info can be given away. rich Hartung

Fenando: I do not know the answer to that question either. rich hartung

I have a Wagner Brake catalog at Home I will check the catalog to see what is the proper size flat washer that should be used on your brakes hoses. The other issue sounds as if you might some blockage in the small brake line that connects the two wheel cylinders. Can you run a smal semi stiff wire up in to the line to see if there is any blockage. Might even disconnect the line and then run the wire from the top to the bottom. Is the line pinched in any place. I would think you should have a good stream of brake fluid when pumping the brake pedal. I have single cyls onmy 39 Desoto so I am not up on the double wheel cylinders. Just my thought on the issue. Send me you home email and I will send you the information Rich HArtung Desoto1939@aol

Fernando: I guess you are confussed when you put the face icon on the reply about the cam lobe. On the crankshaft there are lobes or high points that make the valves open and close. There is also a lobe or high point on the cranshaft for the fuelpump. The lever that comes out of the fuelpump that goes intot he block is pushed down when the egine is running and this cause the lever to move and then the diaphram inthe fuelpump creates a vacuum to draw fuel from the gas tank and then send fule up to the carb. So as the engine spins faster then the FP will pull more fuel to the carb. Hope this answers your question Rich Hartung desoto1949@aol.com

Frank: Checkout this posting on ebay for Chrysler headlight buckets. for 10dollars these might solve your problem. Chrysler,1953,New yorker headlight buckets,rust free,L&R,1954,1952.1951,hemiRich HArtung desoto1939@aol.com

My 39 Desoto has all right hand threaded lug bolts on all four wheels. The Dodge and Plymouth used Lug Nuts in 39 . Later on Desoto and Chrysler used right and left threaded lug bolts. So a 46-48 Chrysler and Desoto right rear drum can be used on the 39 Desoto either on the right or left. Taken from my Hollander book on interchange. FYI Rich HArtung