Beheading in Manitoba OT

[Chester Brzostowski]

Beheading in Manitoba OT

(CNN) -- As horrified travelers watched, a Greyhound Canada bus passenger repeatedly stabbed and then decapitated the young man sitting beside him, who was sleeping with his head leaning against the window, a witness said Thursday.

Police officers and cars surround the bus near Portage la Prairie, Manitoba, on Wednesday night.

"There was a blood-curdling scream. I was just reading my book, and all of a sudden I heard it," said Garnet Caton, who was sitting in front of the two men.

"It was like something between a dog howling and a baby crying, I guess you could say. I don't think it will leave me for a while."

Caton said he shouted at the other passengers, many of whom also were sleeping, to leave. Watch Caton describe what he saw »

"Everybody got off the bus. Me and a trucker that stopped and the Greyhound driver ran up to the door to maybe see if the guy was still alive or we could help or something like that," Caton told CNN.

"And when we all got up, we saw that the guy was cutting off the guy's head. ... When he saw us, he came back to the front of the bus, told the driver to shut the door. He pressed the button and the door shut, but it didn't shut in time, and the guy was able to get his knife out and take a swipe at us," Caton said.

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I think it was an eBay buyer who ran into the seller who Banned him.. !!! ???

You can't make this stuff up. Chet...

[JIPJOBXX]

Very interesting but again what the hell does this haft to do with Mopars? If I wanted to read or see something like this I can go down to my local grocery store and check out the National Inquire "For people who want to know" Guess I'm just feed up with crime and do not need to read about this junk that goes on in the world today. What happen to the sweet 50's or 60's? Glad I was born in the 40's when life was just simple and going out for a ride was not putting your life on the line.

[55 Fargo]

Beheading in Manitoba OT

(CNN) -- As horrified travelers watched, a Greyhound Canada bus passenger repeatedly stabbed and then decapitated the young man sitting beside him, who was sleeping with his head leaning against the window, a witness said Thursday.

Police officers and cars surround the bus near Portage la Prairie, Manitoba, on Wednesday night.

"There was a blood-curdling scream. I was just reading my book, and all of a sudden I heard it," said Garnet Caton, who was sitting in front of the two men.

"It was like something between a dog howling and a baby crying, I guess you could say. I don't think it will leave me for a while."

Caton said he shouted at the other passengers, many of whom also were sleeping, to leave. Watch Caton describe what he saw »

"Everybody got off the bus. Me and a trucker that stopped and the Greyhound driver ran up to the door to maybe see if the guy was still alive or we could help or something like that," Caton told CNN.

"And when we all got up, we saw that the guy was cutting off the guy's head. ... When he saw us, he came back to the front of the bus, told the driver to shut the door. He pressed the button and the door shut, but it didn't shut in time, and the guy was able to get his knife out and take a swipe at us," Caton said.

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I think it was an eBay buyer who ran into the seller who Banned him.. !!! ???

You can't make this stuff up. Chet...

Chet, I posted this in th morning today, this happened about an hour away from where I am sitting.

I was asked why I posted this by another member, yes it is a real savage evil killing, but wanted to share this with my friends on this forum, not to sensationalize it, just to report the very sad side of human life. Just because this happened in Manitoba, a very lightly populated Prairie Province, does not mean we don't have savage killings once and a while.

This a real tragedy, I feel sorry for the folks who witnessed this, and the post trauma this might invoke.

My heartfelt sentiments co out to the victims next of kin..........Fred PS this must have been a big deal to hit CNN, as most events in Canada do not.

[55 Fargo]

Very interesting but again what the hell does this haft to do with Mopars? If I wanted to read or see something like this I can go down to my local grocery store and check out the National Inquire "For people who want to know" Guess I'm just feed up with crime and do not need to read about this junk that goes on in the world today. What happen to the sweet 50's or 60's? Glad I was born in the 40's when life was just simple and going out for a ride was not putting your life on the line.

Jon, your right, but many things are occasionally posted on here that have nothing to do with 40s Mopars.

Don't you remember the goofy "Winter In Manitoba" thread I started, it went for a year and was probably the largest thread on this forum, and I did not intend for that to happen. Was just sharing some of my life with you guys, because I do not have the luxury of meeting with you guys.

When I am not interested in a thread, I simply don't read it.........Fred

[JIPJOBXX]

Ok here's something that's happen and its a nice light side of life:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080731/ap_on_fe_st/odd_adopted_tigers

Nothing to do with killing or murder or deranged people but just interesting. Jon

[55 Fargo]

Ok here's something that's happen and its a nice light side of life:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080731/ap_on_fe_st/odd_adopted_tigers

Nothing to do with killing or murder or deranged people but just interesting. Jon

Jon, that is really neat, how animals can be adaptive. to be honest I saw the angel faced Blonde that popped up on the Yahoo Careers and got a bit sidetracked for a moment............LOL

[Chester Brzostowski]

What happen to the sweet 50's or 60's? Glad I was born in the 40's when life was just simple and going out for a ride was not putting your life on the line.

The sweet 50’s & 60’

Lets see:

Charles Manson

Patty Hearst

4 dead in Ohio

Occasional hangings over segregation issues.

Son of Sam

Just to mention a few

I am truly sorry I upset you, Chet...

[55 Fargo]

The sweet 50’s & 60’

Lets see:

Charles Manson

Patty Hearst

4 dead in Ohio

Occasional hangings over segregation issues.

Son of Sam

Just to mention a few

I am truly sorry I upset you, Chet...

1880s London England , "Jack The Ripper",

1929 St Valentines Day Massacre Chicago

1973 Jack Bender axes people to death near Lockport Manitoba

Seems like times haven't changed much, just happens way too often nowadays

[Chester Brzostowski]

1880s London England , "Jack The Ripper",

Seems like times haven't changed much, just happens way too often nowadays

Hay Fred,

As sick as this may seem when I first read the story on CNN's web site. When I saw the word Manitoba, all I could think about was the weather in Manitoba post. I actually wondered what the weather was like. My second thought was Rockwood. I wondered how far away from you this was.

Chet…

[JIPJOBXX]

Hay you forgot about 'FREE LOVE' in the late 60's. Can't complain about that issue to much as I was just 21 and that looked good to me. But for all the bad people that hung around the 60's that just the stand outs. But anyway those were a much simpler day and like I said befor it was unuall to see people being killed for no reason at all. Make Love Not War!!! Like it

[55 Fargo]

The weather is not bad, this summer has been coller than normal, but it's quite humid, and today it's around 75 to 80, but very sticky.

I am about 65 miles from where this butchery took place, I actually drove down that Highway 2 weekends ago, thats where I saw the University of Michigan Solar Car heading west to Calgary Alberta...........Fred

[eric wissing]

You can't let this stuff freak you out. Dogs give birth to tigers? Bus kills Man. Nothing changes except for the speed in which the news travels and the fear that the Media sells. It must be popular because a lot of people watch. I have that twisted side like many. We like being scared. One of the reasons for Amusement parks I guess. The bus story is horrific. It could happen anywhere. Eric

[55 Fargo]

We like being scared. One of the reasons for Amusement parks I guess. The bus story is horrific. It could happen anywhere. Eric

Hi Eric, your very right about this, it could have happened anywhere.

Sometimes folks in the USA might think, Canada is a country where crime is low, and these type of gruesome homicides never occurr.

Nothing could be farther than the truth, yes maybe we don't have the homicide rates of the big US cities, thank God for that, but I work in Prison as a Correctional Officer, where I am posted in Minimum Security with no fence, we currently have over 20 lifers convicted of various homicides, so that is only the tip of the iceberg of the real dangerous types we have in Medium and Maximum Security prisons across the country.

This Maniac that killed this other man on the bus, I would not be a bit surprised if we did not have him in our prison system already for either killing or seriously harming other people in some way, but they all get out at some point in this country.............Fred

[eric wissing]

Fred, I am betting ( no great brain power used here) that the guy is certifiably crazy. Heck we had a guy kill his girl friend, her kids and then went across town to kill some guy he knew. It blew away the cops, bodies all over town. This happened a few weeks before 9/11/01. He plead guilty and it all went away, no explanation. That is a sure sign he was nuts!! Anyhow. These terrible things happen. I feel terrible for the poor people on the bus and the victim. A lot of therapy. Eric

[wayfarer]

Unfortunately for you folks in the Frozen North, your government (elected by you) has decided that you don't deserve the right to self defense and, certainly, should not have the ability to aid someone else under attack. With minor exception, folks down here have the option to own and carry weapons for personal defense and for the defense of others. That individual should not have been allowed to leave the bus alive, especially given that you folks don't want to keep them locked up forever in lieu of a public hanging. My $0.02.

I am a bit surprised that the administrator even allowed your thread to post.

[NatesSedan]

2006 Dick Cheney- oh wait that was just an accident. Never mind.

[55 Fargo]

Yes we have the right for self-defense in this country, and yes we elected the current governments, but once laws are encated, they are sometimes very impossible to remove.

Theis madman killer, has no criminal record, was working as Mcdonalds, also delivered the Edmonton Newspapers,was known to be a friendly type of fe;llow to co-workers and associates, if there was a death penalty in this country, he certainly would not have been deterred.

He is obviously a very mentally ill psychotic, don't get me wrong, and I do believ in just desserts, and the Police should have let him have it, and saved the tax payers a lot of money.

I think it would be diffficult to use mens reus or actus reus in this case, this guy had to be full flight from reality.

I used to work in a Provincial Jail ( like a county jail), the gallows were are still in the building, lots of rope notches in those beams.

[Plymouthy Adams]

Some man who went to get his kids for visitation this evening took out the kids, think ages 7 and 9, the ex-wife, father and law, then himself..just 10 miles from here...geez..what the hang did the kids do wrong..the ex-wife and maybe a meddlesome in-law..but not the kids..

[55 Fargo]

Tim these sicko type aresometimes so warped they figure there doing the kids a favor or something totally carazy rationalization.

My brother is an advanced care paramedic, when he first started this career some years ago in Winnipeg, some whacko killed his 3 kids, put hem in there beds, as if they were sleeping, killed himself, and the cat, my brother attended this scene, very distressing things to see, he has seen many homicide scenes. One time he gets this call into the ghetto, there is a drunk guy with a big a$$ Ford Bronco, standing there Drunk, smoking his cigarette, and guess what si lying beside the vehicle, a 6 year old boy and a 6 yo girl, both dead, one kids brain matter was attached the Broncos bumper.

Enough said of this, my brother has seen a lot of gore, I have seen some,working in a Prison, humans can be extremely brutal to one another.........Fred

[RobertKB]

Wayfarer, yes we did elect our government and I for one am glad we have the gun laws we have. Never did understand the gun mentality south of the border. As for capital punishment, never supported that either. It just makes the state (society) do the same thing you are condemning someone else for. In some cases, however, I do wish that a life sentence was just that, life. My $0.02 Canadian.

[55 Fargo]

Wayfarer, yes we did elect our government and I for one am glad we have the gun laws we have. Never did understand the gun mentality south of the border. As for capital punishment, never supported that either. It just makes the state (society) do the same thing you are condemning someone else for. In some cases, however, I do wish that a life sentence was just that, life. My $0.02 Canadian.

Robert, I disagree with the current Candian Long Gun Registry, it is a complete waste of valuble resources that could have been used by Law enforcement, the RCMP and Corrections, it is a dismal failure, most Province do not enforce it.

Hand guns have been restricted and regulated since world war 2, the criminals do not get there guns legally.

I personally believe in cases where there is no room for any doubt, the killer should get there "just desserts", Robert I see how killers enjoy there lives years after the victims have been dead and there families are still suffering from there losses..........Fred

[Plymouthy Adams]

Guns are like old Mopars..can you really have too many????????? Licensed to carry for 10 years, just renewed for 5 more...no matter the laws, the criminal would always have their weapons..and if not a gun..a person truly bent on destruction will find a means..as for life sentence..you live till you are executed...we need a few more Roy Beans...sorry, the other side of the coin..

[PatS....]

..as for life sentence..you live till you are executed...

I think that's part of the answer. Dozens of years of appeals makes victims rights seem an afterthought.

One thing that makes me worry is the large number of people being exonerated via DNA. I want the guilty punished, but I want to be damn sure we got the right guy. Our system seems to be unable to reliably deliver on that small detail:(

[John Mulders]

in the Netherlands no guns are allowed either.

I don't see the need for one but cannot judge for other countries and the reasoning there. Guess things may differ from location to location and/or it depends on the threat level as well?

Not sure a gun would have helped the poor bloke, he was sleeping so probably would have died before he could react.

That would be my main argument, most of the time you won't have a chance to use your weapon and you have a big chance that it is used against you.

John

[55 Fargo]

in the Netherlands no guns are allowed either.

I don't see the need for one but cannot judge for other countries and the reasoning there. Guess things may differ from location to location and/or it depends on the threat level as well?

Not sure a gun would have helped the poor bloke, he was sleeping so probably would have died before he could react.

That would be my main argument, most of the time you won't have a chance to use your weapon and you have a big chance that it is used against you.

John

No but the Netherlands has pretty lax laws regarding Drug Use don't they.I am not criticizing the Netherlands, but every country and culture has differing values/opinions on issues.

In Canada and the USA, long guns, are and have been traditonally used in Hunting, we still have plenty of hunting in this country, Europe probably does not, as the animal populations are probably thinned way out to what they once were.

I am not going to speak for the United States, we in Canada have different ideas regaring firearms, but it is always the responsible lwa abiding citizen that has to pay the price for the criminals and mentally ill people that hurt and kill others with things sucha s firearms.

In Canada, you can use lethal force, if there is a serious threat to your life, and you have no other choice, but this must be demonstrated as a means of self-defense.

I do not currently own firearms, many of my neighbours do, I used to own a few friearms in the past, the red tape is too much, I am not huntng anymore either, so I don't have any guns right now. I am fully trained in a number of firearms as a Federal Correctional Officer, as a Peace Officer, I don require any permits to use, or carry firearms, while on duty in a Federal Prison.........Fred