Need to Modify De Soto Starter

[Митя]

4 часа назад Снайпер сказал:

 

Не совсем, его настройка также вытаскивает стартерную передачу в сетку с зубьями маховика, что не может сделать реле, которое вы разместили. Что нужно сделать, так это заменить дисковую часть стартера.

I can’t say anything about the starter we’re talking about. however, there are starters without a solenoid, for example, I have one in Nash.

[Saskwatch]

17 hours ago, Bingster said:

almost gave me a hernia leaning over the front fender to put it in?  Holding it while it took me fifteen minutes just to get the top bolt to catch the thread?

Bingster, I feel your pain ! 
   While it doesn’t help the working over the fender part, there was a post on the forum some time ago where one member used the proper length bottom bolt,  sawed the head off , used it as a guide pin to hold the starter in position until top bolt was fastened then put a lock washer & nut on the bottom remaining threads , works nicely but as you mentioned, you still have to stand on your head if working from the top ?

[kencombs]

I looked this thing up in my old Hollander.   It says that there are a LOT of Mopar starters that can be used IF one uses the starter and solenoid pair.

 

46-48 Ply(NZ4133), 49-51 Dodge and ply(MCH6201)-52-54Dodge and Ply(MCH6205), 55Ply/dodge, 46-55 dodge/ply (MCH6305. 

 

So unless you're determined to keep it original, you'd be better served by locating a replacement with a more available source.

 

 

[Bingster]

Well, I talked to an auto electrical shop in Des Moines who came highly recommended. After asking me for all the numbers off the starter plate, he found some available parts on his computer. I'm headed for Des Moines next week. It won't be inexpensive.  But I've gone as far as I personally want to go with it, and I need a starter, so with some new found $$ at Christmas I'll get it done.  I'll report back what happens.  Happy New Year, folks!

[Bingster]

I don't seem to receiving my notifications on here so I can't see what your saying.

[Hickory]

Are you talking about the likes, they will show up as notifications but there are no words.

[desoto1939]

On 12/27/2023 at 6:01 PM, Bingster said:

Well, I talked to an auto electrical shop in Des Moines who came highly recommended. After asking me for all the numbers off the starter plate, he found some available parts on his computer. I'm headed for Des Moines next week. It won't be inexpensive.  But I've gone as far as I personally want to go with it, and I need a starter, so with some new found $$ at Christmas I'll get it done.  I'll report back what happens.  Happy New Year, folks!

Binster: so you talked to the auto electric shop owner or repair contact.  So what are they going to be doing with your starter. I think you should have at least a good idea of what they plan to do to test the unit and then come up with a game plan if they can fix the unit.  Instead of driving to a repair center i would at least want to know if they have ever worked on this type of starter, you stated that he found some available parts on his computer. So is this guy gong to replace parts that he has or is he going to diagnosis the the starter and then tell you what it needs.

 

Rich hartung

[Bingster]

They have been highly recommended by American Muscle Machines in Des Moines. Check out their web site and let me know if you think they might be a good reference. I know, that doesn't mean much.

 

The H & S Electric is exactly what has been suggested to me on this board: a shop that specializes in starters, generators, and other auto electrical systems including classics.  I didn't just hand him the starter and say "go" like I did with the last guy.  He'll give me an estimate based on what parts it might need - if they're available - and so I can make a decision based on that.  I know what you're thinking. That I'll get hosed again. And I really appreciate your concern.

 

The last place I gave the starter to for repair I did just hand it over to him and thought he was going to actually rebuild it with what needed fixing. I even gave him a NOS relay to put in the starter. I expected him to just swap out the relays (because I thought the old one was bad) and I'd be done. I won't go into what happened again but it wasn't the relay at all. The old one actually tested okay when I tried it out on the bench.

 

That's when I made the decision to have it professionally done because I didn't want to keep putting that thing in and out of the car if I continued to attempt to fix it myself. I had to go to the chiropractor today and ideally I only want to bolt that sucker back in once more in my lifetime.

 

So this fella at H & S told me they'd bench test it to see what the problem might be and look into the starter housing at the brushes, coils, and the armature. He asked for the numbers on the case and looked up parts that were still available.  He couldn't give me a quote, naturally, but did tell me what the armature cost.  I can deal with that if I have to. We know the relay is good cause I gave him the NOS one.  It's got to be inside the case. That's what I'm expecting, anyway. 

 

There is a ceiling as to what I will pay, of course. But I feel that here I am at this point in time of the quasi-restoration of the car that I can either solve the problem and move on or continue to play with this thing until either I get it right or find myself repeating the process of finding a shop all over again.  And these shops seem to be almost as rare as the parts.

 

Des Moines is three hours from me. The man wanted to look up parts over the phone as we were talking to save me a trip if they weren't available. He concluded that there were enough for him to at least give me a quote if it could be repaired. And then there is the question of how much is my time worth personally to spend on trying to fix something that I am undoubtedly going to have to ask you guys for help.  My decision, if the price is right, to get it done and know that it has been done right. Anywhere I would go I would have to make the same decision if I trusted them. The last guy taught me a lesson. If I had to spend a decent amount to fix my family car, I'd pay it because I'd have no car without it.  My DeSoto goes nowhere without a starter. It could be in showroom condition but it would stay in the garage if I couldn't start it.

 

I figure taking a shot at H & S repairing it properly is at least preferable to me paying for my chiropractor to add a new wing to his house.

 

 

[9 foot box]

   To bench test the starter, the top left post needs to be grounded. And a battery. The starter won’t motor without that wire or using a charger. This is my test setup, with a remote starter button. Rick D.

[Bingster]

I've done that in varying combinations with a fully charged battery.