paint I do not recommend...

[Plymouthy Adams]

nla

[Young Ed]

When I was painting the inner fenders etc on my coupe the do it best we use ran out of rustoluem black and we substituded the do it best brand. Now I do recall 1 time where the paint was coming out looking like oatmeal but I'm 99% sure that was rustoleum that we thinned with acetone per the directions. After that it was thinned with mineral spirits and came out fine. BTW your door check post pieces came from the same do it best I mentioned

[greg g]

These chains taking over all retail is discouraging. The Drug Store we used here was just sold out to the Rite Aid chain, I store I have avoided in the past but now have no choice. We are not brand name folks usually going for the store brand of common items. Now we have to lear n this stuff all over, as I need to watchingredients due to Hypertension, and cardiac concerns. The medications are probably made by the same producers, but the boxes are different, the stupid little interior containers are different, and the pack are different. Can't like it!!!!

As to the paint, again there are only a few companies manufacturing privat lable paint so maybe its a batch problem. Did you try to lay some down with a brush or roller???

[Young Ed]

I got it Tim. Haven't made it to the PO yet.

[Norm's Coupe]

While I'm sorry that you guys seem to be having trouble with mixing your Rustoleum paint, I'm glad to hear it's not just me.

First I had a problem with the paint on the hubcap Smiley Face I made. That paint got like crinkles in it as it dried. I figured it was due to the paint being about 3 years old, or older though. Then on the second hubcap pumpkin I painted I had to buy a new can because I didn't have orange. That can of paint did the same thing. The third thing I painted was the cold air duct from the house. Cleaned it up real good, bought some more new paint in the right color and that one crinkled too. All three cans were Rustoleum aerosol paint. They must be having problems at the plant. At least, if you guys had problems with yours I don't feel so bad now. By the way. Those cans also would run very easily to. Had to go with extremely light coats to keep the runs out.

[claybill]

be aware...all these takeovers by big companies...they are able to do it by buying cheap goods from china.

lately we owe MOST of our trade deficit ot china..we are in big trouble down the line.

BUY LOCAL .AND MADE IN USA. ALWAYS (WHEN YOU CAN!)

BILL

[Young Ed]

Norm I've used a few rustoleum spray cans but have kind of gone away from it. Mostly because I can't get it to have the shelf life of the krylon spray paint. I did paint my heater with rustoleum krinkle finish and that came out great. What Tim and I were doing was using the quarts of rustoleum and the do-it-best store equvalent and spraying it. Mine has come out good except for the acetone time and then this last time when I tried adding hardner to the mix and got it a little too thin. I've still got to try and sand out those runs.

[Norm's Coupe]

crinkling is the results of the solvents in the newly applied aersol can harsh reaction to the base coat of the existing paint..a compatability test should always be done when appling to unknow paint bases...you oft times need a intermediate coat, a sealer per say to bond with the existing and provide compatability with the new top color..pain in the butt but often needs done. I had to completely reseal the 50 chevy truck for my bud as he did not want to go to base metal and wanted a fresh coat of Victory Red...the sealer was required as any and all paints reacted to whatever was applied earlier in its life. I used a product caled Velvet seal I think...

Tim,

The two hubcap projects had no paint at all on them. Just the bare metal. Cleaned one with a parts cleaner that had 1.1.1. Tri Chlor in it. The second hubcap project was cleaned with paint thinner and allowed to dry thoroughly before painting. The cold air return was cleaned using the same chemicals. Prior to painting it all the old paint was removed. I've painted a lot of things this way with the same brands of paint in the past and also with XO Rust and have never had a problem in the past. Didn't go with XO on these because I couldn't get the colors I wanted. I also painted these on nice sunny, warm, dry days, so that wasn't a factor either.

Like Ed mentioned, I think I'll go back to Krylon on future projects.

Bill (claybill) is probably right on the China thing. We've been getting calls and literature from China and India since the late 90's for additives to our epoxies. It would be much cheaper to buy the additives from them, but.........we refuse to do that so we can keep quality up.

[Mr. Belvedere]

Everytime I buy something that says, "made in china" I feel like I am selling my country out, but everything you buy anymore is made there it is very hard not to buy stuff thats not from there or now India. All anyone cares about anymore is price. In fairness I will say that over the last 20years there items have improved quite a bit in quality. Still feel like I am sleeping with the enemy when I buy from them though.

[Young Ed]

I feel like I should get a discount on the items if I have to do the work of cashiering myself. Afterall I'd be saving the store money so why shouldn't that be passed on to me?

[Norm's Coupe]

Sort of like when going out to eat at a Buffet. You have to get your own food and carry it back to your table. I can do that at home much cheaper. When I go out to eat, I want my food brought to me, that's why I went out to eat.

[Mr. Belvedere]

Indeed!...Good point, you should get an extra percentage off if they really are headed for checkerless check-out.

[Norm's Coupe]

Indeed!...Good point, you should get an extra percentage off if they really are headed for checkerless check-out.

And, their probable answer to that would be. "But sir, we did this a cost savings to save you money. By not paying the checker we have already built in the savings by only raising our prices 10% instead of 20%, so you are now saving 10% by checking yourself out.":)

[Mr. Belvedere]

Yep, its all about playing games with numbers, Wally World used to have big banners at the the entrance of the store saying how they were finding american suppliers to buy from, they would give an example of some product as you walk in to the store that was being made in the USA, and then they would tout how because they were buying from them, they had saved several hundred manufactoring jobs. Well now that the American buying public has more or less resigned itself to buying all foriegn goods they don't bother anymore. Anyway, that was back when the company was still under Sam's rule. Now they don't even atempt to hide that they are a chinese distributorship.

[Normspeed]

Like Tim, I won't use the self checkouts. When Home Depot was trying for permission to build a store in my town, a big selling point was new jobs. Within a few months of opening, in went the self checkouts. What a cheesy way to cut jobs. I usually go the extra couple miles to Lowes just for that reason.

Norm, lately I've had a couple cases of wrinkled paint like you had, and I traced it to recoat time which seems to be more critical on some of the newer paints. If it says less than one hour or more than 48 hours, and you miss the window and recoat in say 3 or 4 hours, you get wrinkles.

[Norm's Coupe]

Like Tim, I won't use the self checkouts. When Home Depot was trying for permission to build a store in my town, a big selling point was new jobs. Within a few months of opening, in went the self checkouts. What a cheesy way to cut jobs. I usually go the extra couple miles to Lowes just for that reason.

Norm, lately I've had a couple cases of wrinkled paint like you had, and I traced it to recoat time which seems to be more critical on some of the newer paints. If it says less than one hour or more than 48 hours, and you miss the window and recoat in say 3 or 4 hours, you get wrinkles.

Norm, that was one of my thoughts too after the first pair of hubcaps, plus the paint being old. However, on the second hubcap project and especially the cold air return I made sure it was at least 24 hours before I put the second coat on. Now, maybe I went 30 hours, but for sure no where near the 48 hours. Like I said temperature and humidity was not a factor. I always paint when it's at least 65 to 70 degrees and when the humidity is low. That's what leads me to believe it's something to do with the paint itself.

[Olddaddy]

Tim, I have some very nice PPG base/clear paint at my place you could practice up with. I'm thinking of an all expense paid trip to Sunny Florida for you this winter. You could warm yourself, enjoy the scenery at nearby Disney, eat great home cooked meals, and paint my car, all the while enjoying my never ending company..............deal?

[55 Fargo]

Hi Tim, a lesson wel learned. To date have used your mix with Tremclad, Home Hardware brand rust paint, in fact my primer is home hardware rust primer on my 47. I have used the Tremclad rattle cans in many colors and primers, never had this happen.I have used your mix in a few colors, in Tremclad, never a problem so far. The Tremclad folks shook there finger at me, when I told them of your mix, and my plans to use it. I really don't think the Tremlcad Auto or rust paint in a rattle can is all that much different then your mix Tim, they just won't admit it......................Fred