purple ice and red line water wetter???

[claybill]

what is this stuff? what does it do? and where do iget it....if i need it?

and if i dont need it but still use it......am i dumb or dumber?

claybill

[Guest dads1946]

I dont know if this will help,but I used to race motocross,and when I switched from riding 2 stroke dirt bikes to 4 stroke bikes,I still rode with the 2 stroke style of wide open throttle,and my bikes were over heating,someone told me to use water wetter,and I tried it,the bikes never overheated again,even with the agressive riding style,so I guess my answer is try it,it just might be your miricle answer,it worked for me.just my two cents!!!!! :D

[Norm's Coupe]

Bill,

The way I look at it is, if they didn't need it in the 40's & 50's when the cars were new, why do we need it now. Ok, some say it's hotter due to Al Gore's sounding like chicken little on global warming. However, it's only a couple degrees difference, if that. If the car overheats using a 50/50 solution of anti freeze, something needs to be fixed on the car, not hidden by some additive.

[Don Coatney]

I dont know if this will help,but I used to race motocross,and when I switched from riding 2 stroke dirt bikes to 4 stroke bikes,I still rode with the 2 stroke style of wide open throttle,and my bikes were over heating,someone told me to use water wetter,and I tried it,the bikes never overheated again,even with the agressive riding style,so I guess my answer is try it,it just might be your miricle answer,it worked for me.just my two cents!!!!! :D

Did you pour it over the cooling fins while riding:D Back in the day when I raced motorcycles they were all air cooled.

[Guest dads1946]

my first bike was air cooled but ever since I started racing I had all new bikes and water cooled.for some reason the 2 strokes never over heated on me,but the 4 strokes did.

[Plymouthy Adams]

Don..you be surprised at the number of water cooled bikes including two strokers...my 84 is water cooled also...one of my favorite items when two stroke running..Blendzoil (sp)...man does this stuff have a funky odor that lingers in the air forever...my Elsionore engines loved this stuff..

[Don Coatney]

Bill' date='

The way I look at it is, if they didn't need it in the 40's & 50's when the cars were new, why do we need it now. Ok, some say it's hotter due to Al Gore's sounding like chicken little on global warming. However, it's only a couple degrees difference, if that. If the car overheats using a 50/50 solution of anti freeze, something needs to be fixed on the car, not hidden by some additive.[/quote']

Norm;

When our cars were made man had not walked on the Moon. The computers we use to access this forum were not even a gleam in grandads eye. Television was in its infancy. The birth control pill had not been invented. Motor oil was not what it is today. Automobile engines only lasted fifty thousand miles. And wetter water was not yet discovered. Chicken little was butchered at the corner grocery as high speed evisceration machines were not yet available. I can only guess how the offal (you may want to google offal now that we have google) was delt with at the corner grocery.

Suggest you sit out the next 2 postings for progress interference:D :D

[Guest dads1946]

well don I was afraid you meant something like that,I just had to look up offal,i read as far as entrails and then clicked off of it. :D :D :D

[captden29]

i put water wetter in my 54 windsor today, and even used distilled water with it as suggested in the directions. drove the car as usual and it is definitely running about 15 degrees cooler. i am not afraid of new technology and i am not a big fan of additives either. this one does do some good and i don't believe it will do any harm. some additives do nothing or they create worse problems so one must be careful. this product does warn against using any block sealer with it and it will not help unless you use it with about 20% antifreeze. i still want to flush out my block but until i can lay the car up to do that this will help. dennis

[Don Coatney]

Don..you be surprised at the number of water cooled bikes including two strokers..

Not surprised at all Tim;

Even snowmobiles (most are 2 strokes) that run in frigid temperatures are now water cooled. This shows the eveloution of heat dissipation technology.

A few years ago on this forum There was a thread on using oil instead of water in radiators. As has been mentioned oil is a better heat transfer fluid than water. Another benifit is little or no rust would occur in a oil filled cooling system. Any volunteers to give this a shot:confused:

[Plymouthy Adams]

Don...the black boxes I repair are liquid cooled with cooling oil..that stuff is nasty...

[Norm's Coupe]

Norm;

When our cars were made man had not walked on the Moon. The computers we use to access this forum were not even a gleam in grandads eye. Television was in its infancy. The birth control pill had not been invented. Motor oil was not what it is today. Automobile engines only lasted fifty thousand miles. And wetter water was not yet discovered. Chicken little was butchered at the corner grocery as high speed evisceration machines were not yet available. I can only guess how the offal (you may want to google offal now that we have google) was delt with at the corner grocery.

Suggest you sit out the next 2 postings for progress interference:D :D

And just think Don, life went on without all that stuff anyway. And, we had good times without it. As for the offal, I've had some first hand experience with that on my Great Grandfathers farm in Litchfield, KY as a kid. He use to butcher his own pigs and chickens. The chickens were eaten right away, but the hog meat was placed in the smoke house for curing and storage (no freezer on that farm). Some of the offal was used to make other food, and the balance was put in the slop buckets and we carried them across the road to feed the hogs. Deep fried the skin off the head of the hog. You've never had better when they are freshly cooked and warm off the stove. Nothing like the ones you buy packaged by the snack food companies. They don't hold a candle to the flavor of fresh ones. As for the chicken livers and gizzards, they use to be one of my fathers favorite parts of the chicken when fried. (I did not like those though). Great grandfather lived to be about 95 or 96 years old eating offal, no freezer, no computers, etc. and worked that farm until the day he died. He didn't even have a tractor. Use to plow the old fashioned way with a horse and plow. Had no car or truck either. Used the buckboard and horse to go to town and church. He passed away in the late 50's from just plain old age.

As for others turning their noses up at the thought of eating offal. Next time you buy hot dogs, sausage, summer sausage, etc. at the store, read the label and you will find it has lots of offal in it. That's what that is made out of regardless if it's made with beef, pork or chicken. You're eating all those good offal parts. What would we do without offal?

[55 Fargo]

I worked 11 years in a Meat Packing Plant, before I got involved in Correctional work. Seen more Offal than all of us on this forum could ever eat. That plant was small, but still killed 350 head of cattle daily and about 1000 hogs.Think of all the offal, I never had to work in the tank house under the killing floor, where the blood was dried and the guts and other innards were cooked up for further processing. But the stinkiest area of all was where the cow hides were salted and processed..........Fred ps Norm my Dad says there aint no job like harrowing behind a horse on a dusty field.

[eric wissing]

I was at an auction last week and they were selling Polish Sauges without any casing??? I asked the guy who made them what the point was. he didn't like the casing, I think it was the idea that they were intestines. I like the snap of natural casings. There is nothing worse than the hot dog without the casing. I've worked in a pork plant pulling intestines, not fun but they are tasty!! My Dad always talked about the Potatakor sp? (potatoe sausage)that my Grandmother made at christmas. I finally found some a few years back, pretty boring, I'll take Kilbasa over it. Eric

[Norm's Coupe]

Fred,

I've never worked in a meat packing house but have been in my share of them when a salesman on the road. Processing those hides is a smelly place to be for sure. We won't tell them what is done with the unborn calf taken from the cow after it's killed and being processed at the processing plant. That would ruin some peoples Sunday dinner. That's worse than thinking about them eating offal.

[Don Coatney]

As for others turning their noses up at the thought of eating offal. Next time you buy hot dogs' date=' sausage, summer sausage, etc. at the store, read the label and you will find it has lots of offal in it. That's what that is made out of regardless if it's made with beef, pork or chicken. You're eating all those good offal parts. What would we do without offal?[/quote']

Aint nothing as good as a knocker weiner or lard fried scrapple made from chicken lips, hog foreskin, and bull spinchter muscle topped off with grits and eggs. Requires a roll of paper towels on the table:D

[Norm's Coupe]

Aint nothing as good as a knocker weiner or lard fried scrapple made from chicken lips, hog foreskin, and bull spinchter muscle topped off with grits and eggs. Requires a roll of paper towels on the table:D

NO GRITS!!, they are truly "awful", like putting gravel in your mouth. And you gotta have napkins instead of paper towels. :D

[Plymouthy Adams]

oh boy...lips and a-holes..no hot dog is a hot dog without them...remember..everything on a hog is consumable except for the squeal

[eric wissing]

Fred' date='

I've never worked in a meat packing house but have been in my share of them when a salesman on the road. Processing those hides is a smelly place to be for sure. We won't tell them what is done with the unborn calf taken from the cow after it's killed and being processed at the processing plant. That would ruin some peoples Sunday dinner. That's worse than thinking about them eating offal.[/quote']

Fred, When I was right out of High School I worked at IBP did about 1200 head a shift. There was one guy who took the unborn calves and drew their blood for research. I was jealous of his job. Offal Room was a good place to work, about 55 degrees. Livers, you want them skinned or unskinned, Tongues? I used to grade them!! The weirdest thing about the Kill Floor was the heads would come through this one rack, just removed, you swore they were blinking at you , and you expected a whole cow to come through but just this head would pop out!! Eric

[1just4don]

I worked for IBP also, right out of high school by 6 months(went somewhere else for the first summer). Was newly married about that time,,,my favorite trick was taking an eyeball and putting it in my lunch box so my new wife would find it packing next day lunch.

They hung up 1650 head then in a 10hour shift. It got real old working 60 hour weeks---6 ---10 hour days,,, week after week after week. decided not any of these guys I worked with was gonna die a happy little old man and found something I thought I would like better. They closed this plant a year or two ago and STILL many of them working there was the same old crew!!! I got real bored after 4 years there of working, standing up, asleep but awake enough to geterdone!!

Everyone HATED the smell driving past on the highway,,,I thought it smelled like 'HOME'. cant imagine what the arthritis would be like IF I continued working there!!

PS. I didnt look up the word offal,,,only thing we wasted was the moo!!! Spent some time saving eddible fat,,,some processing tongues and livers, some shrouding and pinning necks,,some on the gut table,,,(talk about HOT),,,and some in the coolers,,with a little trimming the meat off the temples and lips and other head meat!!(could never keep a sharp knife in all those bones). We didnt crack skulls to collect brains,,,I heard the skulls were sometimes shipped to Mexico for such procedures.

Back then,,, 98% of all the workers were Joe blow average American. a very (few Mexican nationals and a few Native American Indians.) Those were GOOD people. Now days it is 98% non-English speaking immigrants!!

[Norm's Coupe]

Not surprised at all Tim;

Even snowmobiles (most are 2 strokes) that run in frigid temperatures are now water cooled. This shows the eveloution of heat dissipation technology.

A few years ago on this forum There was a thread on using oil instead of water in radiators. As has been mentioned oil is a better heat transfer fluid than water. Another benifit is little or no rust would occur in a oil filled cooling system. Any volunteers to give this a shot:confused:

The one thing I didn't like when I rode a motorcycle was the heat dissipation method. When you stop in traffic, the rider seems to be the one doing the dissipating when all that heat rises up.

[greg g]

Wow talk about tangental transgressions. Highspeed eviserators were the progenitor of hundreds if not thousands of salmonella outbreaks, them and common cold water baths. When food was processed by hand humans took care to not puncture the intestines relaeasing said offal. With the advent of mechanical gut pullers, thie care tended to be backseated for speed. then even if your chicken was lucky enough to not have suffered and internal explosion if the one before of after did, yours got t share by swimming through the primordial goo of the common cold water rinse. Yuuuummmmm!!!

Thats why health authorities all recommend you cook all you meat to 140 degrees internal for three minutes, it kills most of the little neasties that exploding intestines spread. You can now only hope that the stuff was held at aproper temp druing processing so the little nasties didn;t have a chance to multiply, as that process gives off a toxin that no amount of cooking will kill.

Bon Appitit'!!!!

Now as to water wetter. The additives impare the liquids abilility to retain its surface tension molecular bonds, which allows it to get closer to the container, in this case the metal of the cooling passages, thereby allowing it to absorb more heat more quickly, and to disperse it quicker and more completely when it gets to the radiator. Much like detergent does, it makes the water more effective in its job, by looseing the molecular bonds. Some fire companies add a similar mix of chemicals to the water in their tanker trucks to allow it to be more effective when fighting fires. Especiall those of mixed fuel sources.

[Guest dads1946]

how did this thread end up hijacked by the backwoods slaughter house,just kidding:)

I cant see how trying to use todays tecnology,would not be a help in keeping our beloved cars going better,longer.

[Norm's Coupe]

how did this thread end up hijacked by the backwoods slaughter house,just kidding:)

I cant see how trying to use todays tecnology,would not be a help in keeping our beloved cars going better,longer.

Think that was started by Mr. Coatney. :D We'll have to give him 30 lashes. :D However, this just shows how versatile this group can be on any subject.

[Don Coatney]

Wow talk about tangental transgressions. Highspeed eviserators were the progenitor of hundreds if not thousands of salmonella outbreaks, them and common cold water baths. When food was processed by hand humans took care to not puncture the intestines relaeasing said offal. With the advent of mechanical gut pullers, thie care tended to be backseated for speed. then even if your chicken was lucky enough to not have suffered and internal explosion if the one before of after did, yours got t share by swimming through the primordial goo of the common cold water rinse. Yuuuummmmm!!!

Thats why health authorities all recommend you cook all you meat to 140 degrees internal for three minutes, it kills most of the little neasties that exploding intestines spread. You can now only hope that the stuff was held at aproper temp druing processing so the little nasties didn;t have a chance to multiply, as that process gives off a toxin that no amount of cooking will kill.

Bon Appitit'!!!!.

Greg;

Sleep well knowing that big brother (the USDA) is on the job looking out for our welfare. They must (by law) inspect each and every chicken after they leave the mechanical eviserators on the production line. The birds run at the rate of 180 BPM (birds per minute). I know that these inspectors are highly trained and do a good job as they are paid 10-12 bucks per hour. Carol Tucker Foreman and her Consumer Federation of America (CFA) are often quoted as saying “Sterilized poop is still poop.” I spent about 9 months (all that I could stand) working in a poultry kill plant. Picture trying to supervise a crew of mechanics most of whom did not speak English working in a room with 1000 (yes one thousand) non green carded aliens who all were issued knives by the company and did not speak English.