repop of 51-53 grill bar sets

[ggdad1951]

please take the survey and if you desire please leave a comment about your choice or any choice not listed.  Being cheap on this means the project most likely won't go.  Support is needed to make this happen and support means you'd REALLY pay that for the parts.  

 

you can vote for multiple options.

 

thanks!

[Brent B3B]

sorry for being ignorant, wouldn't the prices above be for the initial costs? seems like once the "tooling" is complete the process is just material and labor. is there any indication of future pricing?

(maybe i don't understand how the process works)

i have said it before, i would be interested in being a part of getting this off the ground for future owners if the price is reasonable for them. 

[Plymouthy Adams]

_{seems a bit over the top to me also...this is a no risk adventure for the maker...windfall for second and subsequent orders..but then I am not the one making these parts...I know of a site where I can get straight run stainless at 10.00 a foot and 10.00 a finished end per about 3 types of finals..(end styles)}

Edited September 26, 2014 by Plymouthy Adams

[Young Ed]

sorry for being ignorant, wouldn't the prices above be for the initial costs? seems like once the "tooling" is complete the process is just material and labor. is there any indication of future pricing?

(maybe i don't understand how the process works)

i have said it before, i would be interested in being a part of getting this off the ground for future owners if the price is reasonable for them. 

The problem is these are complicated pieces and a limited market. So the cost of say 20K setup has to get spreadout over the 20-25 sets they might actually sell. Those are just random numbers but you get the idea.

[Plymouthy Adams]

Ed...this is understood..the very survey however is the kicker...you voting on a cost for same product at x price...but no mention of actual production number to make these prices happen....the actual maker should be able to say up front..cost is x per piece for minimum order of x items...and as our guy here is doing the leg work..the marketing and such..who gets to retain the dies and control the future market?  who establishes the prices after initial run...jumping in at this time is speculating on unknown results..am thinking more facts need to brought to the table..

[ggdad1951]

It takes time and money to get solid costs.  Would you spend your company's time and resources to get a product to market that the customer won't support?  Yes, I tossed those numbers on there pretty much as a SWAG.  I DO have a cost for the door and sorta extrapolated the total package cost from that and then bounced high and low.  They really like the idea of the castings for the whiskers as it's actually more affordable.  Because YES, the tooling involved for this will be upwards of 15K if you want a full SS sheet metal set.  You have to spread that cost over the expected sales of the parts in the first 1-3 years depending on your business model.  With this poll I'm trying to judge the market demand and market price point.  If they can't hit the price point they won't continue.  

 

Remember I made 80 sets of the spare tire carrier hardware and only 27 have sold in 3 years.  I'd guess our market would be about what Ed said, 20-30 sets total off the tools over 5 years, you WILL pay a premium price for that low of a run of parts.  I'm thinking they'd want to see solid orders of 10 units before they pull the trigger on tooling.  I can ask what they are thinking, but since I don't work for them and I'm doing this totally so they become available to me and others, I might not get the full story.

[Plymouthy Adams]

_{I have never worked special made orders of this nature but have worked where prototypes delivered were to be 80K a pair and no guarantees and cost runs still having to face prototype and first article reviews....shut that down in heartbeat I assure you..that is an adventure story itself...I have been involved with reproduction parts replacement cost in my line of work..yes the costs are quite high and mass production means lower cost...and going out on a limb is something very few companies will do for limited run with no guarantee return on their money.  Based on your last experience of the reproduced hardware...I can see the balk there for majority of the guys are not showing their vehicle and can get by well with alternative parts..only room for so many vehicles in each museum....getting pre production orders without a prototype of actual sample for marketing (order taking) is often a risk lot of folks don't like to take on plopping down high dollar for pre-production orders.  I commend you for the efforts and would like to see this a success for all here but there are as many negatives in this as their are positives..these negatives stand out like big flashing red lights...If you could nail the makers to a confirmation on a limited order and actual cost based on that run...I mean, they in business and should be able to spit that info quicker than a cobra..}

[ggdad1951]

_{I have never worked special made orders of this nature but have worked where prototypes delivered were to be 80K a pair and no guarantees and cost runs still having to face prototype and first article reviews....shut that down in heartbeat I assure you..that is an adventure story itself...I have been involved with reproduction parts replacement cost in my line of work..yes the costs are quite high and mass production means lower cost...and going out on a limb is something very few companies will do for limited run with no guarantee return on their money.  Based on your last experience of the reproduced hardware...I can see the balk there for majority of the guys are not showing their vehicle and can get by well with alternative parts..only room for so many vehicles in each museum....getting pre production orders without a prototype of actual sample for marketing (order taking) is often a risk lot of folks don't like to take on plopping down high dollar for pre-production orders.  I commend you for the efforts and would like to see this a success for all here but there are as many negatives in this as their are positives..these negatives stand out like big flashing red lights...If you could nail the makers to a confirmation on a limited order and actual cost based on that run...I mean, they in business and should be able to spit that info quicker than a cobra..}

 

as I said, I am working on trying to get better numbers from them but I am at their mercy, at this point trying to judge the market.

 

Let's try to keep things positive instead of negative, ok?

[Plymouthy Adams]

was not trying to be negative..lets say I was being realistic based on past adventures and the overall building posture most on this forum take with their build..history is easier to read than the future..again as earlier..I commend you and wish you success..

Edited September 26, 2014 by Plymouthy Adams