Pulling Engine

[Raceandoval]

I'm about ready to pull this Flathead 6 with Fluid Drive tranny out of my 1949 Windsor. Can the engine be pulled separately or does it have to come out as 1 whole unit then disassembled?

[Raceandoval]

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[Dodgeb4ya]

The bottom side of the M-6 transmission will hit the cross member. Best to pull off only the trans. Six 5/8" hex bolts and nuts.

[Raceandoval]

Tried pulling the engine but it won't budge free from the transmission. I must be missing something...

Edited May 20, 2013 by Raceandoval

[Dodgeb4ya]

Pull the trans off the back of the bell housing and all linkages and the engine will come out.

[_shel_ny]

Did you get the 2 rear motor mount bolts that extend up through the cross member, and the squishy donuts?

 

EDIT: and unless the DeSoto with M6 is different, you need to support the transmission. Please ignore if you already did that   Just tossing that out there.

Edited May 20, 2013 by shel_bizzy_48

[Raceandoval]

Ok Fellas, remind me to stop working on the project when it gets hot... AND to ALWAYS follow my Shop Manual! It took me about 30 seconds to figure out my problem this morning all rested up and a good flashlight. Goof!!! I realized that the Bellhousing is NOT part of the transmission and those squishy doughnuts are really the 2 rear motor mounts! I removed all the linkage, the drive shaft aka Propeller shaft, and the 6 side bolts. Then I was able to pull the transmission towards the rear away from the Bellhousing. Can someone confirm this is indeed a M6 transmission and NOT a Fluid Drive transmission? Good news, the engine is now ready to lift out easily. )

[Raceandoval]

Additional pics...

[Merle Coggins]

Yes, that appears to be an M6 transmission, but you seem to be mixing up your terms. There is no such thing as a Fluid Drive Transmission. Although many call it that, the Fluid Drive is actually the part connected between the crankshaft and the clutch. It is a fluid coupling that drives the tranmission through the clutch. You'll see your Fluid Drive unit when you look inside the bell housing. It looks like a torque convertor with a clutch hanging off the back side. It connects to the crankshaft with 8 studs. You'll need a thin boxed end wrench to get up in there to loosen the nuts. Also, the 8 studs are not symetric. One is slightly off so that it will only go on one way.

 

Merle

[Raceandoval]

Ok thank you Merle. I really appreciate the guidance and knowledge here! I'm learning leaps n bounds every day.

[Raceandoval]

Here's a little update on the Windsor project... Ready for some serious clean up.

[Raceandoval]

Another view...

[james curl]

I see that it has the center steering link/bell crank and drag link.  When Chrysler went to the V8 they had to do something with the steering box so they turned it on its side and mounted it on top of the frame and used a pitman arm and drag link to operated the center bell crank.  You can not buy the center bell crank out right but must furnish a core to the re-builder in order to get a rebuilt unit.  The mounting bearing/pivot is the only wear replaceable  part of the assembly but it supports the weight of the arm and the tie rods so there should not be any noticeable up and down movement out at the tie rod connection.

[Raceandoval]

Here's a close up of the steering intermediate arm, drag link, and tie rods that you mentioned....

[pflaming]

To those 'in the know' how similar is the Windsor front suspension to my 53 Cranbrook? I will be looking at the same thing in about 10 days.

[james curl]

I believe your 53 will have one long and one short tie rod connecting to the V / double joint pitman arm at the steering box.  It will not have the center link with the drag link as your Chrysler does and the steering box sits on the inside of the frame not on top of it.  The A arms,steering knuckle and spindles are similar but not the same.

[Plymouthy Adams]

look in your book Paul...both sections.. you will see what you need to know...

[Raceandoval]

Hey Paul! How's that wiring harness coming along? I've been meaning to stop by but it's been busy on the ambulance lately. I'd love to come see what you've done.