Justin Slingsby Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 I found one. 49-50 forklift motor. Is that a Clark? Is there any difference between this and a regular car motor? I am going to take a look at it tonight so any info is greatly appreciated! Quote
Don Coatney Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 Justin; The distributor may be different as I do not think the fork trucks had a need for vacuum advance. This is a quick fix by simply swapping in a car distributor. The fork truck may also be running on Propane. If this is a long block engine it is most likely a 251CI. If a short block most likely a 230CI. Quote
Justin Slingsby Posted April 17, 2007 Author Report Posted April 17, 2007 From the pics posted on the WWW it is missing the intake and exhaust manifolds. Is this a longer motor than what is in My 50 Plymouth? Will my fenton intake and exhaust from my 217 fit it? Quote
Norm's Coupe Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 If it's an industrial engine, your intake may or may not fit. Also, I believe the 251 intake and exhaust are different from the 218 and 230. The 218 and 230 intake and exhaust will interchange. One way to tell if it's the larger 251, measure the top of the engine. US cars with the 218 and 230 engines were 23 inches long. The 251 is 25 inches long. Quote
greg g Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 The cams might be different as power needs are pretty flat. And a lot of these engines were also governed or operatied at limited RPMS. Start set throttle and run for hours and hours with a load governor making small adjustments as load demanded. Quote
Fireball Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 Does the 251 fit into 230's place just like that, no interference to firewall or radiator with the longer block ? Direct bolt on to bellhousing? 1946 D-24 is my particular interest Quote
greg g Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 It kinda like puttin your size 12 foot in a size 10 sneaker, it will fit but yer not gonna be comfortable. The Dodge shared its wheelbase and maybe its frame withthe larger Chrysler cars. But in the US they got the 23 1/2 inch engine. The 251 are long blocks 25 inches so the extra 1 1/2 inch has gotta go some where. Conventional wisdom indicates that you can mount the radiator on the front of the support and gain enough room. This is not the case in Plymouths that have a shorter wheelbase. Don C has a 251 Desoto engine in his P15 and had to do some crossmember surgery to clear the front pully/vibe damper, as well as the radiator relocation. I believe the bell housings and other stuff out back are interchanable and mount up the same way, assumming you want to keep the fluid drive. The front engine mounts although similar in design may also need some attentions. So it's doable if you have some decent mechanical skills. Engine swaps are never easy, but this is probably the easiest there is. You know minor surgery......... Quote
Fireball Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 Thanks Greg, doesn't sound bad at all Quote
Don Coatney Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 Fireball; Depending on where your car was built you may already have a long block engine. Measure the length of your head. If it measures 25 1/2" you have a long block. If you have a short block than you will have to do lots of work to squeeze in a long block. As Greg mentioned the radiator must be moved 2" forward. You might have clearance issues with the front crossmember. You also might have oil pan clearance issues. Visit my Photobucket (link below) to see what all I had to do. Visit all the albums. Quote
Justin Slingsby Posted April 18, 2007 Author Report Posted April 18, 2007 Well I picked it up. It looks like it needs some work, but it is complete and for $20 I didn't go wrong. Even if it doesn't work. I can ditch it for scrap.. I will show some pics later to help identify it. Quote
PatS.... Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 I am using an industrial from a truck mounted snowblower. It came with a downdraft manifold and the front mount is different, the oil pan is front sump, but everything else is identical to the car engine. There is no engine number on it, just a blank spot. Maybe I will stamp in the number from the original engine. Then I have a "numbers matching" car worth many times more than would be otherwise!!! Quote
Guest dave_in_carlsbad Posted April 19, 2007 Report Posted April 19, 2007 Count the cylinders - some of the old forklifts had the straight 8 engines I'm told. PatS - does your engine have a block casting date? Do you see any orange engine paint? My long block had the same low center mount, was (originally) painted orange, had no casting date on the block and had a Plymouth (shortblock) engine number stamped on the boss. Quote
Fireball Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 Ok so it's doable but not that straight forward, as I quessed. My pal bought himself an industrial engine from a local forestmill, only couple of hours usage on it and I thought what if... I think I'll stop the greediness and stick with the 230. Seems like SB Mopar would go in as easily, heck, lets go with 572 hemi then oops did I got a bit carried away now Quote
PatS.... Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 Count the cylinders - some of the old forklifts had the straight 8 engines I'm told.PatS - does your engine have a block casting date? Do you see any orange engine paint? My long block had the same low center mount, was (originally) painted orange, had no casting date on the block and had a Plymouth (shortblock) engine number stamped on the boss. Dave, no casting date, but there is a rebuilders tag from a Calgary dealership from 1951. Only a few hours on that rebuild...inside looks good. No trace of any colour other than the silver you see in the pics, engine number boss is blank, no evidence of anything ever being stamped there. The engine was truck mounted to run a snowblower which was parked inside for 40 some years. Quote
Guest Sheldon Bates Posted April 23, 2007 Report Posted April 23, 2007 Be sure that you are getting a Chrysler 6. Most Clark forklifts did not use them. They were used a lot in Yale froklifts. The quickest way to tell is if the dist. is on the top of the head it is not a MOPAR engine. From a old forklift guy. Sheldon Rusty P15 Quote
Merle Coggins Posted April 23, 2007 Report Posted April 23, 2007 When I first started working for my current employer (around 21 years ago) we had a Clark fork lift with a Chrysler 318 Industrial engine. Unless that was a transplant somewhere in it's life, I can't agree that Clark never used Mopar engines. Merle Quote
Justin Slingsby Posted July 14, 2015 Author Report Posted July 14, 2015 Sorry had to step away for a couple of years to catch up on house and family. During that time I broke my 218. My guess is rod bearing or wrist pin as it has quite a knock. I kept my Chrysler Industrial engine and I think I am going to use it for some parts. Specifically the Crank and rods as I believe this motor is a 230ci. Here is the identification taken from the block https://www.dropbox.com/s/p0050336khztdda/identification.jpg?dl=0 Quote
Justin Slingsby Posted July 14, 2015 Author Report Posted July 14, 2015 Yes it has been awhile can someone school me on how to post images again? Quote
P15-D24 Posted July 14, 2015 Report Posted July 14, 2015 Yes it has been awhile can someone school me on how to post images again? Check the site help here http://p15-d24.com/index.php?app=core&module=help Quote
Andydodge Posted July 14, 2015 Report Posted July 14, 2015 Justin.....I was gunna use this ex airport tug 230 in the 41 Plymouth Coupe I had...since sold both.......boo hoo..............howver I had collected an Edgy finned, got the split headers, Offy twin carb intake, 3/4 race cam, HEI Dissy, Beehive filter plus all the internal bits.....the water pump is an Oz GM part.......the industrial engines may have had a slightly different cam specs but I was not gunna worry about that.......as it was a 230 it would have fitted into the 41 engine bay as they used the 201 version of the 23" engine.....andyd Quote
jeffsunzeri Posted July 14, 2015 Report Posted July 14, 2015 The Chrysler industrial engines have (came with, may have been removed over the years) a sheet metal ID plate indicating that it is a "Chrysler Industrial" motor riveted to the side of the engine. Clark used Chrysler Industrial engines in their tugs from at least 1941 on into the late 1950's (Clarktor 6, etc.). Most Clark forklifts used the 4 cylinder Continental engine. Many combines used the long-block Chrysler Industrial engines on into the late 1960's. If you've got a Clark/Chrysler 6 it will differ in distributor and head studs in place of head bolts, and that's about it, and it's a 217.9 CU IN or if later than 1950, probably a 230 CU IN. Quote
HotRodTractor Posted July 14, 2015 Report Posted July 14, 2015 The Chrysler industrial engines have (came with, may have been removed over the years) a sheet metal ID plate indicating that it is a "Chrysler Industrial" motor riveted to the side of the engine. Clark used Chrysler Industrial engines in their tugs from at least 1941 on into the late 1950's (Clarktor 6, etc.). Most Clark forklifts used the 4 cylinder Continental engine. Many combines used the long-block Chrysler Industrial engines on into the late 1960's. If you've got a Clark/Chrysler 6 it will differ in distributor and head studs in place of head bolts, and that's about it, and it's a 217.9 CU IN or if later than 1950, probably a 230 CU IN. I have a Chrysler Industrial 265 out of an Oliver combine that was from the 1960s - but I don't recall seeing a sheet metal ID plate on the side of the motor. I guess I'll need to go look. The combine was low hours and the motor purrs like a kitten. Quote
Justin Slingsby Posted July 14, 2015 Author Report Posted July 14, 2015 Okay here are the tags off of my Chrysler Industrial block.. Can someone help me decipher them? I have been told this is a 230ci engine. Are there differences between this and 218 flywheel flanges> Quote
jeffsunzeri Posted July 14, 2015 Report Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) The IND-30 engine is the short block, 230 cu in. motor. It should plop right into your Plymouth without issue. Edited July 14, 2015 by jeffsunzeri Quote
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