Lehman57 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Posted August 31, 2011 I searched a bit and didn't find much that I recognize--that the canister filter seems to be obsolete, and that a more modern oil filter is suggested. But I didn't find a filter equivalent so I can replace it, nor did I find instructions for installing a modern filter system. Can someone teach me about these things? Or provide a source for me to go to? It now has a WIX 51035 on it, but I'm not sure that is really the correct one. It is a 1943 trailer pump using a Chrysler flathead engine. Thousands of these were built, but few are left. Thanks. Quote
greg g Posted August 31, 2011 Report Posted August 31, 2011 The sealed disposable canisters are no longer being made. You can see them on ebay every now and agai but most folks want way too mch money for them. Your best bet is to go onto e bay and get one of the standard bypass filters and install it. These usually take a inexpensive NAPA 1010 or 1080 replaceable fulters. should hook up to your current plumbing with small modifications. the usually go for 15 to 35 bucks depending on condition. Quote
TodFitch Posted August 31, 2011 Report Posted August 31, 2011 As greg g noted its not being made any more. At least not by mainstream manufacturers. I've received some interesting email over the years because of my web site. One was from an Indian company that claimed to make them and wanted be to carry their parts. My site is "for information only" so this was not of interest to me. But it did come to mind when I noticed part T45 on this page: http://www.robertsmotorparts.com/car_parts.asp?Action=search&c=Cars+%2D+Engine+Area+%26+Related+Parts I wonder where they are getting them from... Quote
greg g Posted August 31, 2011 Report Posted August 31, 2011 wonder if that vendor in Turkey has any??? Quote
Don Coatney Posted August 31, 2011 Report Posted August 31, 2011 As this is a Crashler engine does it have the full flow oil filter? I have pictured a full flow filter below. Quote
Lehman57 Posted September 1, 2011 Author Report Posted September 1, 2011 No, not like this at all. Not full flow. Probably is the unavailable one, and I'll have to convert. Quote
Rusty O'Toole Posted September 1, 2011 Report Posted September 1, 2011 If you have a partial flow or bypass filter you should consider the Frantz filter. It is a bypass type that uses a roll of toilet tissue for a filter element. It does a very thorough job of filtering out contaminants. They have been in use for over 50 years with great success. Now there are other makers who have copied the idea, including a king size one that takes a roll of paper towels for transport trucks and heavy equipment. Quote
Jim Saraceno Posted September 1, 2011 Report Posted September 1, 2011 I bought my add on, by-pass oil filter from Any Bernbaum. It takes a disposable filter that can be bought at NAPA (#1080). It's easy enough to install. Quote
Don Coatney Posted September 1, 2011 Report Posted September 1, 2011 Here is the "how to" on installing a by-pass filter. Quote
Captain Neon Posted September 1, 2011 Report Posted September 1, 2011 IMHO, if you are considering putting in a different oil filter any ways, I recommend going with an oil filter relocation kit available from just about any one, and using a modern spin-on filter. Walk into any Wal*Mart or auto parts store and you will have a filter readily available any time. It is only a matter of time before our drop-in filters are unavailable. Even living in a rural community, I had to have my oil filters special ordered. Here in Topeka, there is an O'Reilly's that carries my drop-in cartridge, but they are the only place in town that carries it. Quote
TodFitch Posted September 1, 2011 Report Posted September 1, 2011 IMHO, if you are considering putting in a different oil filter any ways, I recommend going with an oil filter relocation kit available from just about any one, and using a modern spin-on filter. Walk into any Wal*Mart or auto parts store and you will have a filter readily available any time. It is only a matter of time before our drop-in filters are unavailable. Even living in a rural community, I had to have my oil filters special ordered. Here in Topeka, there is an O'Reilly's that carries my drop-in cartridge, but they are the only place in town that carries it. Were I to change things around, I'd opt for a system that uses "depth media" rather than "surface media" for the bypass filter. The surface or paper media usually passes larger particles than depth media. The Franz toilet paper filter is an example of that, but using media not originally designed for oil filtration is suspicious to me, so I'd be looking at something like the Amsoil setup. http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/eabp.aspx Quote
Captain Neon Posted September 1, 2011 Report Posted September 1, 2011 Were I to change things around, I'd opt for a system that uses "depth media" rather than "surface media" for the bypass filter. The surface or paper media usually passes larger particles than depth media. The Franz toilet paper filter is an example of that, but using media not originally designed for oil filtration is suspicious to me, so I'd be looking at something like the Amsoil setup.http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/eabp.aspx The Amsoil bypass spin-on filter with the regular relocation equipment is probably the best replacement for the eventuality of the drop-in filters demise. We'll probably be able to get the drop-in elements in 10 years, but I have to look longer term if I were in the process of replacing the old disposible can. I am seeing the day in my motoring life where my current oil filter set-up will have to be replaced. By that time, there may even be something better. The equivalent of CDs being replaced by mp3. Quote
greg g Posted September 1, 2011 Report Posted September 1, 2011 I am wondering if Franz has a spec for which toilet paper to use. These days like everything else thare is a lot more stuff than paper in your typical toilet paper. Softeners, friction modifiers, emulsifiers, lotions, frangences. absorbancy ehnancers. Does quilting and or embossed designs enhance or lessen filtering capability. Is creped paper better that non creped. Will the chemicals, and additives hurt my engine Too much to think about!! Leave the Charmin on the wall and go to NAPA.......... Quote
Robert Horne Posted September 1, 2011 Report Posted September 1, 2011 The canister that takes the cartridge like the Napa 1080 can be found on ebay usually. I have been using the Fram C3 cartridge available at Tractor Supply or other farm supply stores. I figure farm equipment will be around for some time, so these filters should be available for a long time also. Quote
Rusty O'Toole Posted September 1, 2011 Report Posted September 1, 2011 I am wondering if Franz has a spec for which toilet paper to use. These days like everything else thare is a lot more stuff than paper in your typical toilet paper.Softeners, friction modifiers, emulsifiers, lotions, frangences. absorbancy ehnancers. Does quilting and or embossed designs enhance or lessen filtering capability. Is creped paper better that non creped. Will the chemicals, and additives hurt my engine Too much to think about!! Leave the Charmin on the wall and go to NAPA.......... Recommend you use Chuck Norris paper - rough, tough, and doesn't take **** off anybody. Seriously the best filter paper is the cheapest. Not quilted, without perfume etc. The rolls are denser and filter better. I buy it by the case where janitorial supplies are sold. Works out to less than 30 cents per roll. When I get home I put each roll in a plastic bag, this keeps it clean and when I change one just throw the old roll in the bag for clean disposal. Quote
Captain Neon Posted September 1, 2011 Report Posted September 1, 2011 The canister that takes the cartridge like the Napa 1080 can be found on ebay usually. I have been using the Fram C3 cartridge available at Tractor Supply or other farm supply stores. I figure farm equipment will be around for some time, so these filters should be available for a long time also. I think the only tractors using the drop-in canisters are of the same vintage as our flatheads. My father's IH 574 ca. 1973 uses spin-on filters as does his Toro lawn mowers. The drop in elements will probably still be available for 10 more years, but after that, I'm not too sure. I'd like to think that toilet paper will be in use for much longer. I would hate to have to figure out how to use the "clamshells" from Demolition Man. Quote
Captain Neon Posted September 1, 2011 Report Posted September 1, 2011 Recommend you use Chuck Norris paper - rough' date=' tough, and doesn't take **** off anybody.Seriously the best filter paper is the cheapest. Not quilted, without perfume etc. The rolls are denser and filter better. I buy it by the case where janitorial supplies are sold. Works out to less than 30 cents per roll. When I get home I put each roll in a plastic bag, this keeps it clean and when I change one just throw the old roll in the bag for clean disposal.[/quote'] I am curious about your change interval. 2000 miles? Had I not gotten married over 9 years ago, a case would probably last me for years even using it to filter my P15 oil. Quote
Robert Horne Posted September 2, 2011 Report Posted September 2, 2011 Summit racing of Ohio has an inline oil filter, around $100 though. These look a little similar to the old throw away filters. NASCAR is using inline filters also. Quote
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