what's the bolt pattern of my wheels?

[BobT-47P15]

Here's a 1950 Ford with original rims.......they have the "nubs" or

"bumps" in the center to hold on the small hubcap. It pops on over

those "nubs".......does not use clips.

Therefore, I think the wheels supposedly from a 1950 Ford may actually

be Mopar....with clips missing.

Or, I saw another ad that said late 30s Buick wheels would

fit a 50s Ford. So it gets even more confusing.

1937 Buick rim from an ad on the HAMB.....says fits early Fords.

Link to a picture........

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=979295&d=1274224829

Edited October 13, 2010 by BobT-47P15

[Cpt.Fred]

bob,

you're right about the bumps!

now those buick rims actually look a lot like those i'm interested in...

who knows?

as long as the fit and look good, they could be from a

russian tank and i wouldn't care...

thanks for the research!

fred

[Plymouthy Adams]

the wheels you use will ustimately be the factor in which hubcaps/trim you can use. If stock look is you end goal..then they need be compatable with the trim. If you plan to have say just a trim ring and maybe a spider..it is of no big deal make and model..just be certain that your end look you have in mind is obtainable...

these are my favorite late model Chrylser wheels on my 41...compared to the what I think were Toyota on the rear and the awful camaro wheels that where on the front...

[Cpt.Fred]

stock look is not what i want. i'll paint them black that's it...

just bought them, by the way.

[BobT-47P15]

Looks like the center is recessed farther than Mopar wheels.....may indeed

be Buick. By being lower, this allows you a wider selection of full wheel

covers (like sombreros) should you ever choose to use them.

[Niel Hoback]

Feel the edge of the rim where the bead of the tire sits. If there is a small ridge just inside the edge it is probably a mopar "safety" rim. The center hole looks too small to be an old Buick wheel, also, there are clip holes.

[Young Ed]

My p15 wheel for comparison. Later in the mid 50s when most of the cars were coming with full wheel covers they stopped riveting the clips on and the wheels looked like the one in the picture.

[persmitz]

I might offer that the point considering guide pins is not as Ed thinks. Apparently the hub cap clips have been broken off. Those holes I do not believe are guide holes, but remants of the hub cap mounting clips. I have often seen this, and surmise that these clips interfered with putting a ffancier hubcap on some time later, so they simply broke em off. I also offer that, according to a feller I corresponded with, Studebaker furnished a wheel that looked very much like these Plymouth wheels. The four wheels pictured sure do shout "GM" to me, but wheels are a can, brim full of worms overflowing, so I dare not say for sure. Perry in Idaho aint forgot he owes you guys a pictured of a buried car.

[Young Ed]

I see no evidence of the clips being broken off. The OEM clips are riveted on and anyone who's tried to remove one will know its no easy task. Still doesn't tell what make they are of course.

[hkestes41]

Found this list on the HAMB

5 on 4-1/2 (114.3 mm)

AMC Gremlin, Hornet, Pacer, Javelin, Matator, AMX

AMC - most models (exc. Jeep) '40-'89

Chrysler/DeSoto - all full size RWD cars (exc. Imperial) '37-'89

Datsun/Nissan - 1600-2000 '65-'73

- 300ZX, 200SX V6 (some) to '89

Dodge van

Dodge 1/2 ton PU

Dodge - all full size cars & P.U.'s '37-'89

- Dart, Demon, Swinger '73-'80

Ford 1/2 ton van

Ford Granada, Monarch

Ford - All full size cars '49-'72; '79-'85

- Fairlane '62-'79

- T-Bird '55-'71; '77-'79

- Mustang (5-bolt) '65-'73

- Maverick 5-bolt all

- Mustang SVO '85-'86

- Ranchero '68-'84

- Aerostar, Probe, Bronco II/Ranger to '89

Hudson - all '48-'56

Lincoln - all '70-'72; '80-'89

Mazda - RX7 Turbo, 626, 929, MX6 '86-'89

Mercury - all full size cars '52-'54; '61-'72; '79-'85

- Cougar '67-'79

Mopar '73-up "A" body

Plymouth - all full size cars '37-'89

- Barracuda '70-'74

- Duster, Valiant, Volare '73-'80

Pontiac - Tempest, LeMans '61-'63

Studebaker - all '51-'66

Toyota Crown, Hilux PU

Toyota - 2WD P.U. '69-'89

- Supra Turbo '86-'89

Volvo 122, 1800

There is also this link which gives some info on wheel dia/width and center hole dia

http://www.roadkillcustoms.com/hot-rods-rat-rods/Wheel-Bolt-Pattern-Cross-Reference-Database.asp

[Plymouthy Adams]

add International pick up truck..k series..I know for certain these intechange as I have Chrysler wheels on my '41 K1

[Cpt.Fred]

the mystery is unraveled:

the rims are from a 50 chrysler.

the seller mixed things up and when i came to fetch them today

and told him they weren't from a ford he noticed his mistake.

i bought them anyway, of course...

once again i am happy man due to some tiny peace of mopar metal:)

[Uncle-Pekka]

Good for You, Captain! - Roll on...

You may consider my odd comment as a prediction;

May be a dummy question...:

- Is the mopar 15" rim steel wheel more difficult to find than the furd wheel?

[Plymouthy Adams]

merle makes a good point..not all Jeeps are the same wheel pattern....here is what I found...quick reference chart for those interested in axles or rims...

Jeeps with 5 on 4.5" Bolt Pattern:

* 84-01 Cherokee (XJ)

* 86-92 Comanche (MJ)

* 93-98 Grand Cherokee (ZJ)

* 02-06 Liberty (KJ)

* 97-06 Wrangler (TJ)

* 87-95 Wrangler (YJ)

* 04-06 Wrangler Unlimited (TJ/LJ)

Jeeps with 5 on 5" Bolt Pattern:

* 06-08 Commander (XK)

* 99-04 Grand Cherokee (WJ)

* 05-08 Grand Cherokee (WK)

* 07-08 Wrangler (JK)

* 07-08 Wrangler Unlimited (JK)

Jeeps with 5 on 5.5" Bolt Pattern:

* 46-86 CJ (All Models)

* 63-73 Full Size Cherokee/Wagonner (SJ)

* 62-71 Galdiator Series Truck (All Models)

Jeeps with 6 on 5.5" Bolt Pattern:

* 74-83 J-10 Series Truck (All Models)

* 74-83 Full Size Cherokee/Wagoneer (SJ)

Jeeps with 8 on 6.5" Bolt Pattern:

* 74-83 J-20 Series Truck (All Models)

and my personal favorite is this wheel..I have a set of these modified for my 51 Plymouth wagon complete with spinners..the centers opened up for the hub and the wheel faced flat, drilled and tapped for the spinner adapters

Edited October 15, 2010 by Tim Adams

[knuckleharley]

Fred, Mopar wheels from 1934 at least to the late 60's have the same bolt pattern as 1949 onwards US Ford, they are 4.5" x 5, which is what you have been offered...........

Andy,guys,my 1931 Plymouth has a 4 and a half inch bolt pattern.

Fords started using this bolt pattern in their passenger cars in 1949,and the 86 LTD parts car I have out in the yard has this same bolt pattern.

AMC,Jeeps,Ford passenger cars,and Mopars all use this bolt pattern.

You can use any modern wheel that has this bolt pattern on the old cars,but you can't use the old car wheels on modern cars with disc brakes because the caliper interferes with the back of the wheel.

[knuckleharley]

good morning Capt! i believe the bolt pattern is 5 X 5.5 im sure someone will correct me if im wrong but I just ask that question not too long ago. i often wish i was 5 X 4.75 I woulda have a bunch of wheels cheap! but oh well...hope this helps.

The 5x5.5 inch bolt patter is what Ford pickups and pre1949 Ford passenger cars use.

Some Ford pu's from the 80's had a 5x5 bolt pattern,though.

[knuckleharley]

thanks, mack!

not quite what i wanted to hear... but i'm not in a hurry anyway,

it would just have been a nice opportunity. the car would look nice

with satin black steel wheels, and with the 15" i could go lower

in the front without affecting the steering to much.

blabla.

fred

Fred,you can also use 14 inch wheels up front if you want to lower the front end.

[Cpt.Fred]

knuckle: i know, but i think it would look weird, i guess.

i perfectly like the look of my 16" wheels, but if i want to cut a coil

then i'm afraid the tire will hit the wheel well while steering or during load reversal, which can be pretty ugly (i have seen it...).

on the other hand, the new rims are a lot wider than the old ones.

since i am totally broke at the moment, nothing will happen to these wheels

untill next year. my to do list is long enough already, so i guess i'm just happy to have the wheels in my garage now for a fairly moderate price.