another reason not to "clip" your old car

[dezeldoc]

I've owned vintage mopars since 1971, and drive them daily. One is a '40 ply with a 350/700R4/10bolt. If that makes me a a**h, then I'll get in line.

David, it wasn't me that said it, but i don't like sbc in nothing but a chevy, they have been used up to much and everybody thinks they are the bomb, cheap to build and what not. i try and keep mine all mopar as i don't want to take a chance of breaking down!!

[Plymouthy Adams]

thought I would post a couple more in defense of sub-framing/engine upgrades..here is the frame after the grafting and getting prepped for paint..

[PatS....]

Sellers response to a query about the clip job and if it has a safety:

Hello. This was purchased in this condition - we don't know anything more about it other than what is listed. If you would like to come see it in person, please contact me with a valid phone number.

[moparbenny]

i dont think there is anything wrong with cliping a car..just so long

as the person knows what heck they are doing...my dad's '48 dodge

2 door sdn has a '77 Camero clip...with a 440 and some people will look

down the engine bay and swear we used the stock rails...

and we get alot of good feedback on how it was done...then we get

the village idiot that is pissed we didnt use a Volare and why didnt we keep it all mopar?

and then dad explains to him.." because it's are car! "....plus Volare your limited

on how big of v8 you can use.......and they goofy looking....and the camero

looks better....( and works better )

granted I like cars that are stock, but i was raised by a street rodder who happened to like and appreciate all old cars and the work that goes into them,

and taught me to be the same way.

the issue i have is when the work is not done right...and the car is a goofy looking death trap...

Edited October 27, 2009 by moparbenny

[Rollie���]

Why would you say something like that? We have people here who have GM's, Ford's, Studibaker's, and other makes of vehicles, so why are we a-h's?

Dennis:D:eek:

My Garage. 48 Plymouth & 56 Chevy.

A chevy in your garage next to the Plymouth? That's not good.

Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to step away from the Plymouth and answer a few questions:

1. Have you ever installed traction bars on a Mopar?

2. Have you ever or ever thought about spray bombing a 60's or 70's Mopar engine bay flat black?

3. Have you ever applied black speckle paint to a Mopar trunk?

4. True or false: The 1968-1971 340's were the best small block V8 ever built.

5. Give one reason why 60-70's Mopar leaf springs were superior to the competition.

6. Would you cut up and old Mopar and then install GM parts because you think you're "improving the car" yet you make the car undrivable and ruin it?!?!?!?!

Edited October 27, 2009 by Rollie���

[moparbenny]

6. Would you cut up and old Mopar and then install GM parts because you think you're "improving the car" yet you make the car undrivable and ruin it?!?!?!?!

So, what's the name of your village? and hear's a picture of me driving and

undrivable Dodge with Gm parts...fYI I dang near fell asleep at the wheel because the ride was so smooth.

[Rollie���]

you're the guy selling that car on ebay?

[Rollie���]

and the stock suspension on my '51 Plymouth is pretty damn smooth, not so boring thought that it would put me to sleep.

Edited October 27, 2009 by Rollie���

[48Dodger]

Pretty strong words against GM.

I'm a hard core Dodge fan. When I see a lump of a car or truck, I see a vehicle that needs help avoiding the crusher. In today's enviroment, all the old cars are in danger. It may have a chebby engine in it now, but its not gonna see the crusher in a long time if treated right. Someday a kid, who's turned into a man, might have a chance to put that Plymouth back to its original glory. So I can't be short sited....I hope the law makers don't screw things up for my son and future generations. And, I hope that 50' continues to make somebody happy, instead of being melted down to an I beam for a big box store.

48D

[LuckyDevil]

It is his car and as long as his name is on the title he can do whatever he pleases with it!

Get off your High Horse. Some people like cars, whether they are Mopars, Chevrolets or even Fords. If you don't like it, tough cookies.

As far as #4 of your little survey goes.... False. If it was such a good motor then they would have kept making it. The Small Block Chevy has been made for decades! It's cheap, reliable and fairly easy to work on.

This is just my honest opinion, but if you are gonna talk crap then why don't you post pictures of YOUR car so it can be ridiculed as well. That is if you aren't afraid to get your pretty little car out of the garage and DRIVE IT!

[moparbenny]

'51 stock suspension is nothing wrong with it...I'm just saying it all depends

on what you what out of the car.And what you what to do with the car,

i don't like the idea that you got to clip everything, and just because it's

new it's better...that's not always the case...if you want to put a small

block in you can use the stock stuff and you'd be just fine but with the big

block mopars you might have to try other makes for parts....besides

it's hot rodding and street rodding it's about be different and it's about creativity.

people are going to build things your not always going like but that's life.

and here's one for yeh....in my shop...I have a ford, and a chevy parked next

to my dodge!!!! and in the other garage i have a Chrysler, a Studebaker, chevy,

and 2 not one but 2 fords! I know it's really weird liking more then one make of car.....I'd post pictures but your head would probably explode ...and we don't need the mess....

and I'm a mopar guy I have 4 mopars and one studebaker, and mopars

are neat and they have a lot going for them...but they are not perfect..

...( the k car ??? really) but none of them are , they are machines...machines

are made by man and man is not perfect.

as for being bored while driving my dad's 440 dodge...not likely, had the time

of my life good weather, cool cars and spent the day with my dad.

What I was debating was with your statement that because a

mopar has GM parts it's undrivable .....but that's not true the '48 handles

like a dream...just like all my stock mopars handle??

last point, what's with the 340 fetish?...you know they made bigger motors

motors don't you?

Edited October 27, 2009 by moparbenny

[PatrickG]

well i certainly didn't post this with starting any kind of brand war in mind,

we shouldn't be out to crucify anybody with Gm parts on their mopar. (a far better alternative IMO to sending said mopar off to the crusher)

show me a car with a grafted front sub frame done with quality worksmanship and attention to detail,

and I will be the first to compliment your work.

really the original post should just go to show

1.

that "checkbook" hotrodding, and hiring a pro,

is a lot more admirable than taking on too big of an undertaking, and potentially compromising the safety of yourself and others.

2.

if it ain't broke, don't fix it!

already with IFS, and kits for disc brakes, better shockabsorber location, and rack &pinion steering,

these old mopars have a fine foundation and a lot of potential when it comes to suspension and handling.

no need for an entire front clip replacement.

AND

I thought the description was hilarious, "very sharp"

is not quite the wording i would use to describe the car (or owner for that matter)

my .02

[David Strieb]

I think I'll find a group of car enthusiasts instead of this group of "my way or no way" know it alls. Knowlege and wisdom isn't how loud you talk and pound your fist, or how many posts you have. I'll be driving my mopars while youall waller around and pound your chests to be king of the hill.

[Plymouthy Adams]

David I would hate to think you made this post in regard to any entry I posted but at the same time we all have our opinions. Further I would think you would have the abiltiy to read-over those posts. I would like to see the old mopars kept all mopar but I also realize that I can only have that luxury with my own cars and others are free to do as they wish.

I made my post in support of those that do wish to clip..and it is a way of keeping your car all Mopar but this is just my perspective and was not ever promoted by myself as "the only and right way way of clipping". It is a very easy and safe graft whereas some 24 inches of the Dakota is actually inside the original frame rails. Compared to most of the stub welded GM subframes I have seen and the poor welding, I got to say that I am not impressed nor consider these particular clipped cars on par with the safety that each car had built in prior to the "donation".

If we are at all honest, we have to admit that we all have seen some bad engineering done to every and all makes of cars over the years..we have seen these cars sit and go to ruin, sent to crushers and sneered at when those who bought the cars with good faith found out just how badly the original concept was instrumented and thus are trying to pass these along to get a better oriented project car. I am reworking some issues now with one of my cars that is not in my opinion up to saftey standards when I acquired it and the reason I will never again buy a car started by another person. Not every car can readily accept a GM subframe, Volare swap or the Mustang II without further modifications to the original rails. I myself have made comments about bad wheel placement in fender openings, poor stance due to position the stubs were mounted when connected to original frame rails. I even will critize the placing of a body on a donor chassis if the wheel openings are not correct..this detracts from any car no matter the make or model. Why..because it was not properly thought out and excuted. Most times the clip is doen because they have read of others doing this in a magazine, others take this route as it is an item available to them at the time with no additional cost to them in parts or parts cars.

So no matter where you go or what forum you will be on there will always be those that have an opinion and are very prone to express it..right or wrong, good or bad in taste or so far out of whack it is not even funny.

[PatS....]

I just like 'em all, some more than others, but the ones that go to the crusher pain me much more than the ones not done the way I would have done them.

If they are on the road, they are OK in my book.

[dezeldoc]

It is his car and as long as his name is on the title he can do whatever he pleases with it!

As far as #4 of your little survey goes.... False. If it was such a good motor then they would have kept making it. The Small Block Chevy has been made for decades! It's cheap, reliable and fairly easy to work on.

Here are couple of statements that are true and false! the first is right on, their car, their money do as they please, BUT that don't mean i got to like it, but i respect the work that is done.

The last is a chevy guy cop out! they are no more easy or cheap to fix than any other motor! any 4 cycle motor is the same.

Now on to the 340, yes they were good motors but not the best! me i like the 360 better, but more than the 360 i like the 440!!

[greg g]

Apparently it not his, he said he bought it that way so it probably an open title. Probably couldn't get it inspected or looked uderneath and decided it wasn't worth fixing, and is trying to pedal it. Wonder if the Offsets would be less of a sore thumb with stock wheels instead of those low rider wheels.

Don't care either way but Caveat Emptor still applies to just about everything on ebay.

[Plymouthy Adams]

I can't speak for what GM makes in the line of positive offset wheels as I rarely mess with GM and most of my buds that have GM are running stock configuration...but am sure that there would be a factory application that would tuck the wheels properly back under the fender...

[moparbenny]

I found some pictures of the car with out sheetmetal i wanted to share.

now keep in mind the clip job was done in 1987B.F ( before fatman).

and at least in are neck of the woods we were the first to really big block

one of these old D-24s, at the time the ones we did run across were flathead 6

powered, chevy powered, or and a small block mopar....

[Normspeed]

i dont think there is anything wrong with cliping a car..just so long

as the person knows what heck they are doing...my dad's '48 dodge

2 door sdn has a '77 Camero clip...with a 440 and some people will look

down the engine bay and swear we used the stock rails...

The Dodge sure looks like a subframe done right. The stance and wheel position looks good to me. Hard to see where you did the grafting on the frame.

[moparbenny]

thanks, 20 years of road grime helps to hide things too....lol

[LuckyDevil]

As long as we can all agree to disagree, but still respect each others opinion.

I am the local chevy guy, and I don't even want to clip my car. It runs great and drives perfectly fine. So, if it aint broke don't fix it.

[BUTRNUT79]

Just thought I'd add that you can check out our 48 Dodge at www.cardomain.com/ride/2623967 The pic on the left was taken at the Goodguys Pacific Northwest Nationals Show in Puyallup Washington this summer. The pic on the right is my Son Ben driving "OBEASTY" on the way to Westport Washington this summer, in July, for our clubs' Rod Run.

Edited November 2, 2009 by BUTRNUT79

[BobT-47P15]

I have seen nicer looking dash panels for added gauges. Nothing wrong with adding

gauges for various things......just not done in very good style. imho.

It seems to be the age old case of some don't like the work done to the

car, and question the quality of the work, as well as the choice of

components. It shouldn't be anything enough to get mad over, but

occasionally overly strong language gets used....and than can cause

a negative reaction.

I sometimes post pictures of cars listed for sale on ebay just for the

amusement of this group. I don't expect anyone to get bent out of

shape over anything.......but we all like to express our opinion. I guess

we just need to do it in moderation.

[Plymouthy Adams]

moderation...then you are not truly expressing your opinion if you have to throttle back...then it becomes to much like being politically correct/lip service..not everyone is going to like everything..I am sure lots disagree with my touch on the cars I do..no big deal..I tend to do things my way for my own self..others do the same..I will comment..but it does not make it wrong..only different that my point of view/taste