STUPIDDD Question

[moparjack44]

Please explain to this idiot, the designation of P15, D24, S11, etc. Does this define the years rather than the body style?

re; all 46-48 DeSoto are S11 (or whatever), regardless if it's a 2 door, 4 door, sedan, coupe, DeLux, Custom, etc.?

Thank You,

Jackie

[Young Ed]

You are correct. All 46-early 49 plymouths are P15s.

[oldmopar]

Do not have good information on others but at the link Plymouth model

http://oldmopar.com/oldmopar/ply_models.html

[Plymouthy Adams]

some years there will be two distinct model numbers..for Plymouths this would start with the introduction of the smaller chassis in 49...this continued till 53 when the car went back to a single size chassis...even with two chassis numbers, the engine number was marked but with the one number and that of the larger chassis... and another distinction came in 54 with the marking of the three levels of trim as P25-1, -2, -3...(also these were special names associated, -1 was a Plaza, -2 was a Savoy and -3 was the Belvedere)prior models were by nameplate be it Deluuxe, Special Deluxe and later like Cambridge and Cranbrook, the steel wagons, business coupe and Concorde sedan were of the smaller chassis and known as P17's and P22's

[anthonyb]

Multiple model numbers for single years went back to at least the late 30's.

In 41 there were three different model numbers (depending on your reference), P11 - base model, P12 - Special Deluxe, and the P11D, a base P11with whatever Special Deluxe trim pieces they had laying around at the time it was assembled. Some sources don't list this as a separate model.

The P11D does have a distinctive hood side plate that says Plymouth Deluxe rather than just Plymouth or Plymouth Special Deluxe. Apparently somebody thought it was a distinct model.

[Brendan D25]

And then there is the red-headed stepsons, the 46-48 Dodge D25. Dodge with a Plymouth body. Only in Canada,eh.

[Don Jordan]

Is there some sort of obvious identifiable characteristic between the P15C and the P15S?

Where would the number be to distinguish one from the other?

My car had the "special deluxe" chrome on the side but there's got to be more than that.

I have a 2 door and a 4 door - could that be the difference "coupe" - "sedan"? Boy do I feel dumb. I didn't even think of that. Of course. Now I really feel silly. But even with the sedan there is a difference between "deluxe" and "special deluxe" - isn't there?

A little off topic but how come it's a coupe and it's not a "sedane"?

[steveplym]

That is a good question Don. There is some info from the main site about the 15C and the 15S.

http://www40.addr.com/~merc583/mopar/framesets/referenceframeset.html

[BobT-47P15]

There are a few differences between the P15 Deluxe and Special Deluxe.

The dash (not much chrome).....the door panels with no armrests on the Deluxe, the steering wheel wheel with no horn ring. The Deluxe used a 9" hubcap, the SD a 10".

[B-Watson]

There are a few differences between the P15 Deluxe and Special Deluxe.

The dash (not much chrome).....the door panels with no armrests on the Deluxe, the steering wheel wheel with no horn ring. The Deluxe used a 9" hubcap, the SD a 10".

Also the DeLuxe had no trim around the rear window and the rear quarter windows were stationary. Interior trim on the DeLuxe models was simpler and less expensive.

The Plymouth-based Dodges, although Canada-only in its first year, 1934, became an export model built both in Canada and the U.S. starting with the 1935 models. The 1954-59 Dodge Mayfair convertible was imported from Detroit and was built to US specs (colours, interiors, engines, etc.).

"2-door", "4-door", "coupe", "sedan" all refer to body styles.

'2-door" and "4-door" are self-explanatory - that was the number of doors on the car - 1 or 2 on each side.

"Coupe" usuallt referred to a closed model with a shorter interior than on a sedan. A Business Coupe had only a front seat and (sometimes) no space behind it. A Rumble Seat Coupe used the same body as a Business Coupe but with a fold away seat where the trunk should be.

Some Business Coupes had a space behind the front seat that some manufacturers placed fold up seats - Studebaker called this model a "Double Dater" coupe.

Another version of the coupe had longer interior space (still shorter than a sedan) with a true rear seat. Chrysler called this body style a Club Coupe while Ford called it a Victoria Coupe in the 1930's.

A Convertible Coupe was basically a Business Coupe with a fold up top. A straight Convertible was similar to a Club Coupe with a fold up top and a Convertible Sedan was a 4-door sedan with a fold up top.

Sedans are the most common body style - either 2-door or 4-door. In the 1930's sedans came with either a flat back or a larger trunk that stuck out beyond the body - called a Touring Sedan.

Station Wagons were built of wood until Chrysler introduced the Suburban all-steel 2-door wagon in 1949.

Hope this helps.

Bill

Vancouver, BC

Bill

Vancouver, BC

[Rodney Bullock]

Multiple model numbers for single years went back to at least the late 30's.

In 41 there were three different model numbers (depending on your reference), P11 - base model, P12 - Special Deluxe, and the P11D, a base P11with whatever Special Deluxe trim pieces they had laying around at the time it was assembled. Some sources don't list this as a separate model.

The P11D does have a distinctive hood side plate that says Plymouth Deluxe rather than just Plymouth or Plymouth Special Deluxe. Apparently somebody thought it was a distinct model.

When I first stated building antique Plympuths I started with a P-11D, I also had a P-12 body only no Chasis. I was lucky to find a very good P-9 which I eventually built this is called a "Roadking" it has hardly no trim. I think for a bse model car this one is more confusing then all:)

[Guest P15-D24]

It has the differences noted.