50 Title

[falconvan]

Legality in question; disregard.

[Don Coatney]

Is it legal in Illinois (or any other state) to sell titles and vin tags?

[Niel Hoback]

I think vin tags without the car is a federal thing. I have asked repeatedly about selling titles and I have never gotten a definitive answer.

[BobT-47P15]

I think you are probably not supposed to sell such items, but in the old

car world when you buy some pretty worn out vehicle to restore and it

has no title, maybe using another title and changing the vin number on

it is not the end of the world. Especially since the car from which the

items came has been scrapped.

The title, at least on Plymouths, used the number as found on the engine.

Once the engine was replaced, what do you then have to match with?

(Actually you still have the number stamped into the frame....but how

many state title offices know that?) So if your boughten title matches

with the vin tag on the door frame, it will make things easier - at least

in Missouri (a title state).

You could even make a new door tag yourself to match a title....use

a number stamp punch on a little strip of sheet metal - since thats

all that door tag was in the first place. You can even paint the

replacement item to look like the original.

[Young Ed]

You can even go further. For 39-47 mopar trucks you can buy a new unstamped tag to replace your wrecked original. If someone happens to have a historical document for a 40 plymouth pickup I'm looking

[falconvan]

Is it legal in Illinois (or any other state) to sell titles and vin tags?

HMMM... Good question. Dont want to break any laws but I hate to pitch it. I figured on a 58 year old junk car the law wouldn't care but who knows. I do know the tag number matches the title but I dont know if that number was also stamped on the motor. It didn't have a motor when I bought it for parts.

[BobT-47P15]

Here's a picture of the ID tag on a 46-8 Plymouth....borrowed from an ebay

ad. Not too difficult to make. Actually, I need to repaint my tag sometime.

Numbers are stamped in the silver-grey area of the tag. Originally attached

by two rivets......can remove fairly easily. The door tag IS different than the

number on the engine/frame......that one begins with a "P15......" or whatever

is right for your year.

I think the other old Mopars are similar.

Well, I scrolled down a few pics.....they have this close up of the tag.

Link to the ad. A real nice car with rusty engine.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1948-PLYMOUTH-SPECIAL-DELUXE-2-DR-SEDAN-VERY-NICE_W0QQitemZ270232972179QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6387QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[greg g]

I believe that haveing a vin tag in your possesion without it being attached to a car is a federal offense. That is why I believe you see such things refered to as historical documents. Technically speaking the serial number tag is not a VIN tag, VIN Tags being federally mandated in the early to mid 70's. So you may be OK on a technicality, but that said you might want to edit your post to reflect a bit more euphamistic reference to the part you have.

[Alaska48]

In the State of Alaska (I'm an office manager for Divison of Motor Vehicles up here) That's looking at a felony. Its what is referred to as title washing. Very illegal.

[Alaska48]

The other thing in some states they do VIN inspections prior to registration. All states that do VIN inspections go off the VIN from the frame to title and register vehicles. Having non-matching numbers between body and frame could cause problems for whoever comes in to register it.

[falconvan]

Better safe than sorry; I'll pitch it. Thanks for the feedback, guys. No sense in goin to the pokey over a $100 junker.