Greenhouse gases and old Plymouths....kinda OT

[Norm's Coupe]

"it's not a joke to accuse Asian restaurants of serving dog and cat IMHO.

there's no need for dog pounds in Asia or Africa......"

Cats and dogs were never a traditional meal until the Revolution. Starving forced them to eat anything. Now it is trendy. You pick out your cat or dog from a cage like we would pickout a lobster and they boil them alive. I think life of any sort can be cheap in China. I wouldn't want anyone to starve but cruelty doesn't seem to be a concern there. Eric

It's not just China. Was stationed in Seoul, Korea for a year back in 1962 - 1963. You would see dogs hanging in a butcher shop like we see pigs and beef hanging here. Once while driving down the street in Seoul a bunch of Koreans were chasing a dog on the sidewalk. When they saw me in the jeep, they chased the dog in front of the jeep so I would hit it. Which of course I could not avoid doing. However, since I did try to stop to avoid it, I didn't hit the dog very hard. Just knocked him into a daze. So...........I picked him up and put him in the jeep. By the time I got to the Eight Army Headquarters compound the dog was ok again. So, let him out of the jeep on the compound. At least that dog lived to see at least one more day. Who knows what happened to it after that.

That said, while we don't eat dogs and cats, other cultures do. They probably think the same way about certain things we eat. Cows are sacred in some countries and illegal to kill them, yet we eat them. Other cultures don't eat pork. So..............who are we to talk.

[eric wissing]

It isn't the eating of them, it is the slaughter method. I have worked on kill floors. It is fast and they try to keep them as calm as possible right up to the end. Koreans have eaten dog for a long time. I have heard they like them to hang and slowly die for the taste. If other cultures wanted to find something to blame us for, it wouold be waste.We waste so much food. I eat Fast Food maybe 6 times a year. I like to eat something at a restaurant that I can't make better than them. All of us can cook a better burger than McDonalds. Eric

[Don Jordan]

I can't remember his name right now (Oldstimers) but this guy (100 years ago) said the way the world will end up is poor people will have lots of kids and rich people will buy them and eat them. Poor people get money, rich people get food.

This is a sad commentary and I apologize in advance - I teach school and look at all these kids growing up - in 50 years the world's population will be out of control, man will have screwed up the environment beyond repair and all animals (man included) will have to improvise just to stay alive. While this is a cold blooded thing to say: I'll be dead - not my problem. It's okay though - the cockroach will survive.

[eric wissing]

Jonathan Swift wrote an editorial in a London newspaper that the solution to the starving Irish problem was to eat them. He was of course being absurd to make a point but a few idiots thought he was serious. Eric

[Norm's Coupe]

I can't remember his name right now (Oldstimers) but this guy (100 years ago) said the way the world will end up is poor people will have lots of kids and rich people will buy them and eat them. Poor people get money, rich people get food.

This is a sad commentary and I apologize in advance - I teach school and look at all these kids growing up - in 50 years the world's population will be out of control, man will have screwed up the environment beyond repair and all animals (man included) will have to improvise just to stay alive. While this is a cold blooded thing to say: I'll be dead - not my problem. It's okay though - the cockroach will survive.

Don, if you haven't seen it, you should find a copy of the movie "Soilent Green". Came out in the 70's/early 80's I think. It's pretty close to what you describe in the first paragraph of your post.

[JerseyHarold]

FWIW, Soylent Green came out around 1973 and was, I believe, the last movie Edward G. Robinson acted in. Look out for the 'scoops'!!

[greg g]

Speaking of the Potato Famine in Ireland. When we visited we learned of some of the details of the situation. Land in ireland was given to English persons of title (regardless of previous claim of ownership) These people housed the populace on "Their Estates" causing them to work the land and make it productive in exchange for shelter as sustainance. In other wods endentured servitude. Since the working folks were kept in a state of perpetual poverty, and were beholding to the master for shelter, the gains of their efforts were trasfered to the landlord, them keeping just enough to scrape by. Meals consisted of potatoes and scant meat when available. When the blight hit the potato, people began to go hungry. Hungry people get angry. Anger turned to retribution against the landlord. Acts of retribution lead to eviction. Eviction led to people being homeless and angrier still. So they began to leave. The result of the exodus was that the basis of the landlord system, forced labor, collapsed leading to the backruptcy of the landolords and their produce was no longer available for sale for the cash that supported their estates, hence collapsing the whole system.

The irony of this was that the country had a surplus of wheat oats and corn, that moldered in sotrage sheds awaiting export. Apparently grains were for animal feed an no one thought to substitute grain for potatoes. So if some one had been a little more broad minded, we would probably not have had police forces, fire departments, railroads and canals. And who knows what would have happened in Ireland.

[Mr. Belvedere]

I am sick and tired of the world accusing the U.S. of polluting and destroying the planet we have made huge strides in recent decades cleaning up our air and water. By the same token we have gone so overboard with regulations and requirements placed on business that they leave the country looking for cheaper and more business friendly environments. Gee, if I can send my manufactoring overseas or south of the border where labor costs are minimal (no unions, no health insurance, no worries about sexual harassment or racial law suits) environmental laws non-exsistant, few if any taxes and I can still have access to the the richest markets on the globe to sell my wares at record profits, who wouldn't go somewhere else? Like Greg said until we are all on the same page environmental laws are a joke. But as far as I am concerned this global warming thing is an agenda, a religion. Not all scientists agree, as much as they try to discredit anyone who disagrees with the idea that global warming is a man-made problem. This planet has undergone huge climate change in the past according to science. These people are like chicken little running around screaming "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!".

Somehow the planet just keeps on surviving. How many times has science been dead wrong in the past and now we are supposed to trust a few of them who have become loud and shrill on this issue. Are we going to give up all the things that make our standard of living and the way we live so enjoyable because of a few crackpots!?!? You never see anything or anybody in the media ever standing up to this or representing the other side. In the media man-made global warming is all presented as the gospel truth and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot or not at all credible. I do not trust "science" with an agenda.

[Norm's Coupe]

In regards to Mr. Belvedere's last post, there is another logical answer to the Global Warming issue other than Al Gore's, it just didn't get the publicity Gore's did.

About the same time Al Gore's movie came out on Global Warming, Alan Alda had a PBS TV special on the same subject. His movie was based on a private study done by experts in the field too. In his movie they said Global Warming was not so much due pollution, but was due to the natural rotation of the earth. It said, it happened ever so many millions of years. But...........guess that type of study and results doesn't sell enough newspapers and TV commercials, so it did not get the publicity. Actually, Alan Alda's movie sounded more logical than Al Gore's does.

[PatS....]

The Great Global Warming Swindle

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=7299668110171032533&q=%22the+great+global+warming+swindle%22&total=106&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Climate Catastrphe Cancelled:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-4468713209160533271&q=%22Climate+Catastrophe+Cancelled%22&total=47&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

[Tony_Urwin]

My personal belief is that Global Warming denial is in the same class as Holocaust denial.

Totally irrational.

And to blame dog-eating third-world countries for climate change in the same thread that we deny the science?

At least leave Jesus out of the discussion, please.

[eric wissing]

All regulations are not bad. I kind of like having Air Trafiic controlers and an FDA. The toys from China with the lead wouldn't be allowed to be sold in China. Europe has much more stringent regulations and they seem to get by. Some regulations might hurt some businesses but they often create opportunities. I think the Antique Auto owners will be allright. We can only drive one of them at a time. I wish my insurance agent understood that. Eric

[Norm's Coupe]

All regulations are not bad. I kind of like having Air Trafiic controlers and an FDA. The toys from China with the lead wouldn't be allowed to be sold in China. Europe has much more stringent regulations and they seem to get by. Some regulations might hurt some businesses but they often create opportunities. I think the Antique Auto owners will be allright. We can only drive one of them at a time. I wish my insurance agent understood that. Eric

Don't know what kind of insurance you have, but if it's a regular auto policy I'd dump it. You can get Antique/Hobby policies much cheaper through places like JC Taylor, Grunde and a few others. Depending on how much you insure your antique auto for, you can get full coverage for 12 months under $100 from those places. Guess it may depend on location too, however it's still much less than a standard insurance policy.

[Mr. Belvedere]

The Great Global Warming Swindle

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=7299668110171032533&q=%22the+great+global+warming+swindle%22&total=106&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Climate Catastrphe Cancelled:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-4468713209160533271&q=%22Climate+Catastrophe+Cancelled%22&total=47&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

Great series thanks for the link!

[Don Coatney]

At least leave Jesus out of the discussion, please.

Tony;

To hitchike on your thoughts I feel that all religous postings should be discussed off line. I personally am offended by others assuming that I share there beliefs. I respect anyone for believing what they may (religous or otherwise) and I would like to think they respect me for my beliefs.

[Mr. Belvedere]

Did I miss something? Who brought up Jesus?

[62rebelP23]

that would have been my mistake. apologies to the offended.

[Norm's Coupe]

I guess I'm not one of those offended. At first I said to myself, I don't remember anyone bringing up anything religious. Still could not find it looking through the post after it was mentioned, until 62rebel said it was him. Now I know why it didn't offend me. I just assumed he was making a joke. When it comes to jokes, I'm one that believes no subject is off limits. A joke is a joke and must take it in the "spirit" (excuse the pun) that it was meant to be.

[62rebelP23]

very astute, norm; i meant it only as a jibe. the object was to convey a sense of disappointment with the way we've run things....

[Frank Blackstone]

This is the most replies I remember seeing on any subject. So I guess many of us have opinions to voice. which sounds like what a forum is designed to do. Ohio tried EPA inspections for several years then stopped. Vehicles on interstate 70 and 75 intersecting here made more dirty air than any residents driving historical cars. My rebuilt 72 Pontiac was BELOW the original standards required for a NEW engine in 72. China pollutes more than most so leave my ride alone. Cold dead hand on the wheel, Frank

[Normspeed]

Well, the thread was labeled OT... Frank I think the Winter in Manitoba thread had more replies. Oops. now I'll bet someone posts to it again:D

Darn it, now you guys got that song from Cool Hand Luke stuck in my head...

[hotrodbob]

Maybe GM should be the ones figuring out what to do with thousands of airbags, and Ford and Honda etc, not you.

Don't blame the manufacturers. It's the feds that have made them install these things, make the feds take care of cleaning up this crap.

[blueskies]

When we run out of gas, I'll just drop one of these in my Plymouth...

Pete

[Don Coatney]

When we run out of gas, I'll just drop one of these in my Plymouth...

Pete

Pete;

That is a T-5 behind that extension cord powered motor. Dont think an overdrive would be required. Just throw more juice to the motor and spin it faster.

[blueskies]

Pete;

That is a T-5 behind that extension cord powered motor. Dont think an overdrive would be required. Just throw more juice to the motor and spin it faster.

Don-

Not sure what the transmission is... This motor and tranny is in a '50 Mercury that was posted on the HAMB some time ago. The car has a trunk full of batteries to power the electric motor, but is otherwise a traditional custom.

I think having the transmission on the electric motor would be a hoot to drive. Huge torque from 1 rpm to 2500 rpm, clutch and gears for hot rodding fun.

Pete