Oil filter cartridge assembly

[Crazyred]

I have a 1933 Plymouth PD that has a 1934 PF standard Flathead 6. The oil filter canister has the replaceable filter inside. In cleaning out the oil system, I replaced the filter. This canister has a banjo type bolt on top with two brass or copper washers on each side to seal. Once assembled both of these are leaking. The top washer is flat with paper or fabric embedded  and the bottom washer is flat on top and beveled on bottom. See pictures below. Does anyone know what this may have come off of and where I can get replacement washers?  I have had no luck in finding any replacements. 

My plan b is to put a new original type throw away filter on. 
 

Any and all help is appreciated!

[Crazyred]

I guess these pictures would help ?

[Andydodge]

The usual trick with copper washers that have work hardened is to "anneal" or soften them by heating them with a torch.........oxy maybe a little too severe, but a propane torch will have enough heat .........direct the heat onto the washer, till it gets a cherry red then leave to air cool and it should be fine to reuse .......or check with a local parts shop or Hydraulic hose/fittings shop..........BUT the washer with the paper/fabric insert has me intrigued...........heat will obviously burn the paper/fabric........is it possible to find a thin fibre washer at the local parts shop and use it with that washer?...........the top bolt and the teardrop shaped fitting that it goes thru appear to have a "flat" on each side so maybe a pair of thicker fibre washers, one on each side may work and dispense with using the copper washers..........the bevelled washer would seem to be that shape so that it fits against the filter lid.........is there enough "meat" where this washer sits to use a fibre washer or maybe check where the bevelled washer fits to see if there are any marks,chips,divots etc that stop this washer sealing properly...........BTW.......its a neat looking filter canister.........I installed a finned Beehive Filter on my 41 Coupe, see pic...........Welcome Aboard from Oztralia.......Andy Douglas   

[Young Ed]

Usually a good auto parts store will have a bin of those for oil pan drain plugs. I'd go match up 2 new ones and not worry about the paper insert version

[Crazyred]

Andy, that's a nice looking filter beehive. 

 

There are a couple more parts places to check but the go to's have not had anything yet.  I will try some suggestions above and let you know if it improves.

 

Thanks again for the feedback!

[Crazyred]

From a recommendation from other site, I went to an aircraft site and found the copper washer/fabric.  They call it a copper asbestos gasket, which upon more research it appears to be a type of crush washer with the material inside / wrapped by copper.  So could I replace this with a regular copper crush washer without the asbestos type material inside?

 

Still on the hunt for a beveled washer. 

[desoto1939]

I never liked this style of filter because everytime you take out the lid you are disturbing the entire inlet piping and sealing with the washer get more crushed eachtime to make a good seal.  i prefer the type that has the inlet hole on the side of the canister and the the lid has a sperate bolt to hold the lid tight to the body of the cannister.

 

This is just my preference not saying this is wrong but because of this issue a friend of mine who has a 38 Desoto had the same type of canister and he changed to a more modern canister to solve the issue.

 

rich hartung

[Marcel Backs]

Chevs of the 40's in Vancouver WA sells a pretty good repro beehive filter set up. I run one on my 235 and it stays at a happy temperature on hot days. Mounted away from the motor like Andy did aids this filter design with heat exchanger action which is kind to your motor oil. They also sell a mounting bracket which makes mounting to firewall or inner fender panel a breeze. You will notice improvements in oil pressure and engine temperature due to cooler running oil circuit. Especially in Andy's neck of the woods where it gets hotter than hades...lol (just jealous 'cause we are up to our arse in snow here!). M

Edited February 2, 2021 by Marcel Backs
bad grammar aka brain fart

[Crazyred]

Well after exhausting the local auto stores and not finding any washers, I decided to try to anneal them before ordering online. This is another first for me while working on this car. Heated, cooled and reinstalled. Fired it up and backed out and noticed a pool of gas were the car was...,?

 

Thirty minutes later and fixed a stripped screw on the fuel pump, time to test the filter.  After driving and everything’s up to temp all seems sealed now and no fuel leaks either. 
 

Thanks for the advice and I’ll try that again when working with copper washers.

[Loren]

Two suggestions

My local True Value hardware store has all sorts of copper washers.

Any good Diesel Fuel Injection shop has copper washers made for just such a purpose.

 

On another topic related to canister oil filters

Have you seen the prices for the inserts!?!?

Being of Scotch and English decent I am offended by prices I think are out of line.

So what about the old Franz filters?

Are they appropriate for use on a Plymouth 6?

You can't get cheaper than a roll of toilet paper (providing you can find it in the store!)

[Grandpas37]

i just started working on my 37. i have the same filter that Crazyred has.  how does the top assembly come apart?  is that spring keeper under the lid just pressed on?  can i just pull it off?  the filter has sat off of the truck for decades so i want to clean it up a bit before firing motor.

 

thanks

[Crazyred]

@Grandpas37 if i remember correctly these pieces came apart by hand. I had to clean them some to get them apart but it didn't take much force to separate things. The bolt was the hardest part to remove from the lid due to the bottom copper washer was on very tight. 

Take your time and things should come apart. 

 

Putting things back together went well but had to heat both copper washers or annealed them as it's called to get them to seal again. 

 

Hope this helps and good luck. 

[Grandpas37]

Excellent!  I got them apart and soaking now.  just wanted to make sure i wasnt going to destroy anything.  hoping to fire this old girl up for first time since 98.

 

thanks for all your help!

[Crazyred]

Good news. Would like to see some pictures of your 37 when you have time.