pulleys and belts for accessories

[DonaldSmith]

It's an optional delusion, er, optical illusion.  The carriage bolt is way clear of the belt.

 

(I had to taper the end of the bolt to get it through the bracket and spacers.  It served as its own drift pin.)   

[Tim Keith]

Yesterday I saw a '51 Imperial in a salvage yard that had the 331 V8 with generator / power steering pump.   I've never seen that early PS system.

[DonaldSmith]

I've seen a few of the early 50's power steering systems, at the Orphan Car Show in Ypsilanti, where the DeSoto club has a presence.

 

 

 

The big vacuum can has nothing to to with the power steering.  The pump on the back of the generator connects with the steering gear apparatus, which is built into the steering column.  

Edited May 4, 2014 by DonaldSmith

[Dodgeb4ya]

Yesterday I saw a '51 Imperial in a salvage yard that had the 331 V8 with generator / power steering pump.   I've never seen that early PS system.

I have a 1952 Chrysler Hemi car that uses this  P/S system. It's a huge Gemmer steering gearbox and very complicated but works very well.

I also just bought a 54 chrysler windsor 265 six complete with the later internal oiling power steering system. Very hard to find on a six cylinder chrysler.

[DonaldSmith]

I ran into trouble on the way to the DeSoto convention  in mid-July, but salvaged the convention experience.  About fifty miles out, I began to smell hot rubber.  I thought it was from a passing semitrailer, but when I stopped for coffee about ten minutes later, I discovered that the main belt was inside out, off the pulleys, and cut almost all the way through.   I switched on the pusher fan right away, so I think I kept the engine from overheating.  I had the car flat-bedded home, and set off in another car.  The convention experience was good, but not the same without the Suburban.  

 

I concluded that the belt failed because the alternator pulley was too far forward, and maybe not aligned, causing the belt to ride hard against one side of the pulley and eventually rub on the alternator fan blades.  In my pulley work, I had discovered that the crank pulley was a quarter inch forward of the water pump pulley.  It had lived that way for decades, but when I reworked the crank pulley, it left the generator/alternator pulley foo far forward. 

 

Lately, I reconfigured the alternator mount.  I abandoned a custom bracket that I had made and resorted to an adjustable bracket.  I now have aligned the alternator, crank and water pump pulleys.  I was able to raise the power steering pulley frame and bracket above the new alternator position.  I test drove the car this week, which is the build-up to the Woodward DreamCruise, which is a few blocks away and invades our neighborhood.  

 

After I drove through the neighborhood for a while, the pusher fan turned on.  (I had left the 4-bladed fan off.)  The temperature gauge nudged toward the 212 end as the fan came on.  Maybe I'll tweak the thermostat to kick it on sooner.  

 

But is that fan loud!   Shall I put the 4-blade back on?  Line the hood with sound-absorbing material?

[DonaldSmith]

Here's the adjustable alternator bracket I had bought. I configured it to spread the ears enough to get the bolts from interfering with each other. I added a filler at one of the bolts.  This was wider than the original bracket on the block, so I used washers (and an oversize nut) to shim the space between the ears and the original bracket.  This gave me some wiggle room to adjust the alternator backward or forward.

 

 

Edited August 15, 2014 by DonaldSmith

[DonaldSmith]

Car's been running hot.  Check the coolant level?  Leaning over the front of the car I've seen green coolant.  But wait!  That's a flat channel with coolant in it. Check the tubes in front of the channel.  Dry!  It took another gallon or so to bring the coolant up above the tubes.

 

Now, I went around the block (a long block) and the temperature worked up to about 180 when the pusher fan kicked in.  Maybe that's approaching normal, for no 4-blade fan.

 

My wife just said,"Do you know your car's making a funny noise?"   I said, "That's the pusher fan".. Do you know dinner's ready?"  "No, but if you hum a few bars, I'll fake it."    

[DonaldSmith]

I ran the car without the 4-blade fan; it heated up normally (once I added an adequate amount of coolant in the system).  The pusher fan kicked in as it should.

 

But did I want to depend on the auxiliary battery to power the fan in in normal driving conditions?  I considered re-installing the 4-blade fan.  

It would be nice to be able to install or remove the 4-blade fan without disturbing the water pump pulley and belts. Maybe if I hold the water pump pulley in place with studs and nuts instead of bolts, then I can bolt the fan to the protruding studs.  

 

I made some 1-1/2-inch long studs, and thread-locked nuts on them, and deformed the threads, so that the nuts would not loosen.  I used these as bolts, with lock nuts, to secure the pulley, but with the studs protruding enough to secure the fan.  

 

I had moved the radiator a half-inch forward, to make room for the second belt, so I had an assembly of spacers to make up the half-inch at the fan.  Since the nuts now securing the pulley were a quarter-inch thick, I added a quarter inch of the spacers, and secured the fan with nuts and lock washers. 

 

Here's a photo from the right side, showing the old, wide belt and new, narrow power steering belt, and the fan studs, nuts and spacers.

 

    

Edited September 6, 2014 by DonaldSmith

[Don Coatney]

Donald, I applaud your efforts but when are you going to bite the bullet and quit fooling around with the nut/bolt spacer thingy's, convert to all 12 volts, install a new Champion aluminum radiator, forget the 4 blade fan as your 12 volt pusher fan will now be all you need. You will be amazed on how much cooler your engine will run with out all this fiddling around.

[DonaldSmith]

Gosh, what would I do if I didn't fiddle around with the DeSoto?  What are you going to do when you finish rewiring your Plymouth and installing your new instruments?  (Not to worry, something will always come up.)

 

Oh, I could convert to all 12 volts, and rely on the pusher fan without the 4-blade.  Then I could move the radiator back where it was.  I don't need the Champion radiator yet, but it is sure is purdy.  

 

Does your pusher fan seem noisy?  Mine does.  I started looking into hood liners, but don't want to go there yet.

 

The DeSoto is running nicely now.  I'll be doing an 80-mile round trip on the 21st, to the Orphan Car Show in Ypsilanti.   We DeSoto Club people will hang out at our own food canopies, but also wander around to look at the Hudsons, Studebakers, Nashes, Kaisers, Frasers, Edsels, Imperials, Corvairs, Oldsmobiles, Mercurys, and even Plymouths.  I'm sure I forgot a few brands.

[Don Coatney]

128 miles for me to Ypsilanti. Keep me posted when the date draws near and I might meet you there.

[DonaldSmith]

Orphan Car Show, September 21, 9:00 to 4:00 .  There is a pass-in-review for the various brands, which starts around noon.  

 

You can Googlemap or Mapquest "Riverside Park", on Cross Street, on the west side of the Huron River.  It's too late to enter your car, so you'd have to park on the street, unless you can talk your way into parking on site, which they reserve mostly for the handicapped.  One year I forgot to register.  I took my modern car and got there rather late.  I had to park the car east on Cross Street, across the tracks.  There are interesting shops along Cross Street, and the area is called Depot something, but is was a bit of a hike to the park.     

 

Just across the tracks, on the south side, is the origional Miller Hudson dealership, which is officially changing on the 21st from the Ypsilanti Automotive Heritage Museum to the National Hudson Motor Car Company Museum.  That may be worth a visit.  This is the outfit that sponsors the show.  

[TodFitch]

. . .  I'll be doing an 80-mile round trip on the 21st, to the Orphan Car Show in Ypsilanti.   We DeSoto Club people will hang out at our own food canopies, but also wander around to look at the Hudsons, Studebakers, Nashes, Kaisers, Frasers, Edsels, Imperials, Corvairs, Oldsmobiles, Mercurys, and even Plymouths.  I'm sure I forgot a few brands.

There thousands of different auto manufacturers, not just brands or models but manufacturers, in the US, most in the very early days and some may not have any actual documented production. So any of those would be orphans too.

 

I wouldn't be too surprised if you've forgotten some like A.B.C., Abbot, Abenaque, Ace Acme, Adams, Adams-Farwell, Adelphia, Adria, Advance, A.E.C., Aero, Areocar, Aerotype, Ajax, Akron, Alamobile, Aland, Alco, Alden-Sampson, Allen, Allen Cyclecar, Allen-Kingston, Allis-Chalmers, Aldo, Allith, Alma, Alpena, . . .    

[DonaldSmith]

They do get a few odd makes there, brass era, one-offs, fire trucks, etc.  

 

The Next Day Fire Company usually shows up (they must leave the day before), pumps water from the river and sprays it back in.  Their motto:  "Not a basement or cistern lost yet."   

[Don Coatney]

Orphan Car Show, September 21, 9:00 to 4:00 .  There is a pass-in-review for the various brands, which starts around noon.  

 

You can Googlemap or Mapquest "Riverside Park", on Cross Street, on the west side of the Huron River.  It's too late to enter your car, so you'd have to park on the street, unless you can talk your way into parking on site, which they reserve mostly for the handicapped.  One year I forgot to register.  I took my modern car and got there rather late.  I had to park the car east on Cross Street, across the tracks.  There are interesting shops along Cross Street, and the area is called Depot something, but is was a bit of a hike to the park.     

 

Just across the tracks, on the south side, is the origional Miller Hudson dealership, which is officially changing on the 21st from the Ypsilanti Automotive Heritage Museum to the National Hudson Motor Car Company Museum.  That may be worth a visit.  This is the outfit that sponsors the show.  

Thanks Donald, As I said remind me when the date draws near. I do have one of those mirror hangers due to my bad knees (that my wife calls my retarded parking permit) so I may be able to park close.