Grdpa's 50 Dodge Posted January 26, 2014 Report Posted January 26, 2014 To get on with my brake job I do need one of the brake tools. Is there a difference between the Miller and the Ammco? Will this one work for me? http://www.etoolcart.com/brakeshoeadjustingtoolgauge.aspx or are there any places for used ones? I am sure they dont wear out. I tried E-pay with no results unless I used wrong search words Quote
1941Rick Posted January 26, 2014 Report Posted January 26, 2014 That tool works on modern brake shoes....the one you are looking for will center the shoes to the axle and give you full contact of the shoe to the drum. You can adjust them without the proper tool but you have to have a good feel for what you are doing. Quote
_shel_ny Posted January 26, 2014 Report Posted January 26, 2014 http://p15-d24.com/topic/33101-would-like-to-rent-or-borrow-brake-adjustment-tool/?hl=%2Bbrake+%2Btool 1 Quote
Grdpa's 50 Dodge Posted January 26, 2014 Author Report Posted January 26, 2014 (edited) Okay, thanks for setting me straight. Does anyone have the model numbers of the exact tool I do need?? I will try to write those down and keep track of them till I find one. Any place better than others where to find one? Was this a Mopar specific tool or did all cars of that vintage need them??? Edited January 26, 2014 by Grdpa's 50 Dodge Quote
deathbound Posted January 26, 2014 Report Posted January 26, 2014 (edited) Ammco 1750.....Miller-not sure, but somebody should chime in with it. I've seen the Aamco 1750 on ebay often....right around the $300 range. You can contact Rich Hartung (desoto1939 on here), I believe he loans his out with a deposit. I think these were used on Ford/Merc also. Edited January 26, 2014 by deathbound Quote
Dodgeb4ya Posted January 26, 2014 Report Posted January 26, 2014 (edited) This is the tool....The Ammco 1750- but it will cost you-a LOT of $$$$ if you find one! Not sure you might need one depending on how much searching learning you do on this site. The factory Miller brake tool set is probably not to be found to purchase. The picture of the blue machine is called a brake shoe arcing machine. It grinds the shoe linings so each brake shoe lining has 100% surface contact with it's matching brake drum. The special Ammco1750 tool is really not needed if this is done and the anchors are set to the factory settings. Finding some place to do this now days I guess is hard to do in some places. So...search this site as there is tons of info on working on and adjusting the Lockheed double anchor brakes as used on the old Mopars up to 1956. Bob Edited January 26, 2014 by Dodgeb4ya Quote
desoto1939 Posted January 26, 2014 Report Posted January 26, 2014 This is Rich Hartung. And Yes I do have the AMMCO tool and also the Miller MT119 tool. The Ammco tool is the easier of the two and is cheaper to mail. Contact me if you need to rent the tool. Rich Hartung desoto1939@aol.com Quote
Grdpa's 50 Dodge Posted January 27, 2014 Author Report Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) thanks for all the responses. I found this one on the bay this morning http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=331115874954&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en It is missing the micrometer shaft and the spacer. are those items used to do brakes? Or could I find or make other suitable parts for that? The price SHOULD be much better than a all there one. Edited January 27, 2014 by Grdpa's 50 Dodge Quote
desoto1939 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 The microm eter shaft is the rod that has a flat spot onthe end and then there are three holes in the rod for 10, 11, 12 inches. These are for the different drum sizes. This is key to the tool, Did you read my post above your post about the tool. I also sent you a prive IM about the toolthat I have, the Same tool. Rich Hartung Desoto1939@aol.com Quote
_shel_ny Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) thanks for all the responses. I found this one on the bay this morning http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=331115874954&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en It is missing the micrometer shaft and the spacer. are those items used to do brakes? Or could I find or make other suitable parts for that? The price SHOULD be much better than a all there one. Spacer is used on the spindle/axle after the tool is in place to make it faster to tighten the nut down, and is not needed. Can substitute any type of spacer if desired for that purpose. The missing shaft is used to measure the drum to get the shoe clearance setting. Without that part all you can use the tool for is to center the shoes. It will not provide the needed measurement. If you also bought the tool in your first post you could possibly use that to measure the drum, and then set the 1750 to get the clearance. Edited January 27, 2014 by shel_ny Quote
desoto1939 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 You need the complete tool. The dial onthe other end is part of the micing part of the job. So both parts the rod and the dial are used at the same time. Then you take the reading on the dial and for an example if it si 40 then you turn back the dila to 1/2 the number on the dial because you now will be only working on one side or half of the brakes So in this example you reset hte dial back to 20 And then set the lock screww. Take out the long rod. Put the tool onthe spindle or axile not the eccentric cam that had the various numbers which is now set to 20 is used to get the brake shoes to touch the lining. Adjust the toe wihich is the top cam and then the heel which is the bottom eccentric so that these parts of the brake just touch the shoe. Keep doing this until you get a perfect brake adjustment. Then go do the other side of the same brake assembly. Some guys also use the the feeler gage as specified in the repair manual. After getting the shoes set then put the drum back on the spindle/Axle. I then perform a minot adjustemtn witht he top cam only spin the wheel ue one of the top anchor to lock the wheel from spinning then back off to have a little drag. Then do the other cam inthe same manner. Then get in the car and push the brake pedal to help set the shoes. and test agin inthe same manner. The start the process all over again on the otheropposite drum. So you need the complete tool unless you want to get the parts as they come up on the Bay. Also refer to the technical section onthe forum about the useage of the Ammco and the miller tools. I did a power point on these two tools at the Philadelphia AACA annual meeting Rich Hartung Desoto1939@aol.com Quote
Grdpa's 50 Dodge Posted January 27, 2014 Author Report Posted January 27, 2014 Thanks Rich, Put me on the list for using your tool. Let me know when it is available. I need to get some shoes and get them here and on that far.If I could find a reasonable tool to keep thats one thing,,,what they want for them is another. Quote
Young Ed Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 If someone really wants their own but the one with the missing parts and then borrow a complete one and have someone duplicate the missing piece. Thats what I have. Quote
desoto1939 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 If someone really wants their own but the one with the missing parts and then borrow a complete one and have someone duplicate the missing piece. Thats what I have. Young Ed: we all know that these AMMCO tools have gone for some very high costs. The 150 is a great price if all the parts were there. But you also have to figure that how many times will we do a brake job. Maybe two times with the little amount that some people drive there cars. So when I lend out my tool it is just the cost of shipping. So when you would buy your own tool there is a cost to ship it to you. So now when I ship to you the first cost of shipping equals out and you have not spent 200-300 for a tool. Now you ship back to me $20. So now you have saved anywhere from 180 to 280 dollars. even if you need the tool again $40 so now you still saved 140 to 240 dollars and you do not have a tool sitting in your tool box that you spent a lot of money for and then you hope that you can resale to get your money back plus the listing fee on ebay. So in the long run it really is cheaper and more economical to rent the tool from me or someone else that is not charging to even use the tool. I do know that some people want the tool to have and that is ok with me. I had the opportunity to get my Ammco gage at a very cheap price a long time ago so that is why I have mine own. I also have the miller tool MT19 and got that at a swap meet at a really steal so when the tools are cheap then you get them but when they are over the top you borrow them if you can is my theory. So this is why I offer to loan my tools. Rich Hartung desoto1939@aol.com Quote
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