i need help identifying my plymouth

[ssrt88ss]

title says 49 was told 46-48 no vin 

how can i tell

 

[P15-D24]

Spotter guide for '48 here

[ssrt88ss]

ok thanks for spotters guide looks exactly like a p-15 what year  would that be and thanks

[ssrt88ss]

p-15 specail deluxe 

[Eneto-55]

I'm curious - How can you have a title if there is no serial number?

 

re: 46-48 vs 49 first series:

I have a 46 4 door, and a 49 2 door.  This may be just a difference associated with the 4 door vs the 2 door, but the foot rest and the lower seat frame is designed differently on the 49 - I'd say that it is built a bit lighter.  (But both of my cars are over 900 miles from where I'm living now, and I haven't been able to do any work on them since the early 80's, so this is long term memory.....)

Neto

[ssrt88ss]

ok dully noted 12108613  state of california

[P15-D24]

A lot were titled off the engine s/n.

[ssrt88ss]

well it is stock execpt for wheels tires outside trim has been shaved and the original engine is gone no 440 with 727 trans

[MaineP15]

ok dully noted 12108613  state of california

 

If that is the serial number, I would say it is a 1st series 49.

[greg g]

The serial number should be on a tag on one of the A Pillars.  The Serial number is the way Chrysler documented and identified a complet and assembled vehicle.  The introduction of the new 1949 Body style was delayed till February/March due to metal shortages incurred during the Korean conflict.  The P15 model was continued into 1949.  Most year models were introduced in Sept Oct.  But as noted above you serial is associated with an 1st series 49 P 15.

[TodFitch]

Mindful that the serial number lists came from engineering who considered P15 models as '46 through '48 versus marketing who called the ones built or sold in '49 as "first series":

 

Serial Number: 12108613

Found in range: 11854386 to 12116123

Serial: 254228 of 261738

Year: 1948

Make: Plymouth

Model Name: Special DeLuxe

Model Code: P15C

Plant: Detroit

Engine: 6 cylinder 217.8 cu.in. L-head

Wheelbase: 117 inches

[GlennCraven]

 

Mindful that the serial number lists came from engineering who considered P15 models as '46 through '48 versus marketing who called the ones built or sold in '49 as "first series":

 

Serial Number: 12108613

Found in range: 11854386 to 12116123

Serial: 254228 of 261738

Year: 1948

Make: Plymouth

Model Name: Special DeLuxe

Model Code: P15C

Plant: Detroit

Engine: 6 cylinder 217.8 cu.in. L-head

Wheelbase: 117 inches

 

 

 

So what Tod is saying, just in case it isn't abundantly clear, is that the earliest P15s sold in 1949 were identical to those sold in 1948. Later in 1949 an updated model was released. Engineering considered identical cars to be '48s, whether sold in '48 or '49. Marketing (and state DMVs) generally considered the car a '48 if it was sold in '48 and a '49 if it was sold in '49.

 

Per the answers above, you seem to have a P15 sold early in 1949, so it looks like -- and essentially is -- a 1948, but your title isn't wrong.

 

Much like with Chrysler Windsors and other models, you can find examples "correctly" titled as 1949s that don't look alike -- early carryover '49s vs. the new style. You can see significant differences in the Chrysler Windsors below, but both are titled as 1949s.

 

Edited October 18, 2013 by GlennCraven

[greg g]

Add to that that some states like Pennsylvania, considered new cars registered in a given  year as being of that year regardless of manufacture date.  So an October assembled 46, registered in January of 47 was documented as a 47 since it was still a new (never drive never previously titled) car.