crusader Posted January 4, 2011 Report Posted January 4, 2011 hi, i'm new to the forum. i have recently purchased a 1957 DODGE crusader (canandian) with the longer flathead six. i'm not sure if i have the original motor in my car or not and cannot find any serial numbers for the canadian flatheads on the internet. all the information i have is that it is the 251. can anyone help? the stamped number on the block K 25696C. the engine runs fairly good but it has some oil leaks and i'd like to get a felpro gasket set but i can't seem to find anyone who can give me the correct part number. the block has the extra hole or hump on the fwd end. does anyone have the part number that will work? thanks, nick Quote
Roadkingcoupe Posted January 4, 2011 Report Posted January 4, 2011 1957 Dodge Kingsway / Dodge : ---- / Crusader 6 : D64-1 : 97 542 001 to 97 548 317 DeLuxe / Regent 6 : D64-2 : 98 116 801 to 98 125 522 Custom / Mayfair 6 : D64-3 : 97 999 101 to 97 999 137 ---- / Crusader V8 : D65-1 : 97 565 001 to 97 567 701 DeLuxe / Regent V8 : D65-2 : 98 181 001 to 98 189 377 Custom / Mayfair V8 : D65-3 : 98 919 001 to 98 925 348 There is a site called Allpar.com that is a wealth of info on Canadian made cars and more. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3KwbTBlUD4gJ:www.allpar.com/world/vinlist.html+Dodge+crusader+1957&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=firefox-a Quote
greg g Posted January 4, 2011 Report Posted January 4, 2011 the engine number is usually stamped into a flat casting not cast onto the block. there is a flat area just below the cylinder head above the generator that has the number stamped into it. You might need ot clean it sup some for the number to show. If there is a boss, but no number the block may have been an original unumbered chrysler block shipped toa rebuilder like Jasper that built engines. they should have stamped their number on but a lot got by without a number. But if it original to the car or at least the same year , as noted above it would start with D64/D65 followed by a series of digits. Quote
crusader Posted January 5, 2011 Author Report Posted January 5, 2011 i've checked out the allpar site and the serial numbers and they match my car... but i want to know about the engine block. i posted the original numbers that are stamped on the block ( on the upper front, driver side of the block) =0 k25696c. i can't find any info about flathead serial numbers that start with k. i just want to know what i have so i can order parts. Quote
greg g Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 it's probably a rebuilders number, the only K reference used by dodge that I am aware of is the K series hevy duty truck with the 34 inch long HD engines. Quote
Roadkingcoupe Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 i've checked out the allpar site and the serial numbers and they match my car... but i want to know about the engine block. i posted the original numbers that are stamped on the block ( on the upper front, driver side of the block) =0 k25696c. i can't find any info about flathead serial numbers that start with k. i just want to know what i have so i can order parts. First off.....welcome to the forum. Great place to hang out and learn. The serial number as stated in your earlier post looks a lot like an Industrial motor # or as Greg mentioned it could be re-numbered from a rebuilder (common practice) like Ontario Reman use to do up here. The site is called the P15-D24 to cover 1946-1948 Dodge and Plymouth's, over time other years (from the late 30's to early 50's) have been included. My area of expertise is from 1933 to 1955 so I do not want to give out any misinformation. Quote
garbagestate 44 Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 If you have a long block with the bypass bulge in the front of the head,the fel-pro number for the head gasket is FPG 7688C. I got that number from the Napa website. Check out this link regarding Mopar engine I.D. http://www.t137.com/registry/help/otherengines/otherengines.php Quote
Roadkingcoupe Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 If you have a long block with the bypass bulge in the front of the head,the fel-pro number for the head gasket is FPG 7688C. I got that number from the Napa website. Check out this link regarding Mopar engine I.D. http://www.t137.com/registry/help/otherengines/otherengines.php great link. thanks for posting it. Quote
crusader Posted January 5, 2011 Author Report Posted January 5, 2011 thanks, i found the felpro set on rockauto. i was looking through the original owners manual for my car and the OO filled out the serial number of the engine in the back section along with some maint. notes from 1958!!! so it must be original. i appreciate your patience because i do realize that my car does not fit in the 1946-1948 mopar catergory. Quote
PatS.... Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) But it's a flathead, so you are at the right place. The little "c" at the end of the engine number indicates Canadian, so it's likely the original. Maybe you have misread the first digits or letters??? Welcome This Canadian Dodge is in our local Pick-N-Pull for sale whole...don't know the price. Edited January 5, 2011 by PatS.... Quote
Niel Hoback Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 Is it just me, or is that an odd shaped water pump casting? Quote
RobertKB Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) Is it just me, or is that an odd shaped water pump casting? I noticed that, too. Sure nothing like any waterpumps I have seen on Chrysler product flatheads but maybe the later engines had that style? Edited January 5, 2011 by RobertKB Grammar Quote
Frank Ollian Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 Do you think that water pump has a lower fan to match up to the radiator? Quote
PatS.... Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 Probably because of the low hood on those era cars they had to redesign the water pump to lower the fan? Quote
Andydodge Posted January 5, 2011 Report Posted January 5, 2011 From what I understand that waterpump housing started in 1957 with the lower hood line, also note the 2 barrel carby & intake........yum........speed, power..........lol........andyd Quote
B-Watson Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 hi, i'm new to the forum. i have recently purchased a 1957 DODGE crusader (canandian) with the longer flathead six. i'm not sure if i have the original motor in my car or not and cannot find any serial numbers for the canadian flatheads on the internet. all the information i have is that it is the 251. can anyone help? the stamped number on the block K 25696C.the engine runs fairly good but it has some oil leaks and i'd like to get a felpro gasket set but i can't seem to find anyone who can give me the correct part number. the block has the extra hole or hump on the fwd end. does anyone have the part number that will work? thanks, nick K is Chrysler Engineering code for 1957. The "C" at the end is for Canadian production. The first engine off the line was 1001, so your engine was the 24,696th off the line. When the 1957 model year began, the Dodge engine prefix was D64 while Plymouth was P30 but sometime late in the year all sixes used the K prefix. Similarly the 303 V8 engines, originally D65 and P31 prefixes, switched to KV. For 1958 the prefix changed to L for the 6 and LV for the V8. The system lasted through to the 1965 model year. Larger engines added -HP or -MP to the prefix. Your car has a 250.6-cid engine, which was used in American and Canadian-built 1942 to 1951 Chryslers, 1951 DeSotos, Canadian 1952-54 DeSotos, 1955-59 Plymouths and Dodges as well as Canadian Dodge and Fargo trucks. As it was also used for agricultural and industrial purposes with production ending in the 1970s. So parts are not that difficult to come by. The interior of the Crusader, as well as the exterior side trim, is the same as the Plymouth Plaza. Quote
B-Watson Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 From what I understand that waterpump housing started in 1957 with the lower hood line, also note the 2 barrel carby & intake........yum........speed, power..........lol........andyd Being Canadian that should be a one barrel carb, BBS-2567S. US models had a 2 barrel unit. Quote
crusader Posted January 10, 2011 Author Report Posted January 10, 2011 great information. i really appreciate it. thanks. Quote
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