Bob Riding

Mine must be the Savoy as it has all of the chrome trim, armrests, assist straps, chrome tailgate hinges, etc. but for 1952. And I thought it was probably a Cambridge, because there was Cambridge script in the boxes of parts that came with it. Thanks for the cool brochure!

Excellent point. Can't electric driven a/c compressors compete with belt driven? I am relying on my brother-in-law who used to have a restore/modify.streetrod business and will look to him (and you) for guidance. Should be fun!

I know you currently have dual Carter's (as do I), and I'm happy with the throttle response, and power at the high end, however, for my current build of my '52 Suburban, since I wasn't worried about a stock drivetrain, I decided to see if I could coax a few more hp from my 218, considering that I will be running A/C and AT (200R) so I decided to go with Tom Langdon's Tom Langdon's Stovebolt new 2BBL 32/36 carb (Weber clone) on the stock single intake. It uses a carb adapter, which he also sells.. I also purchased his split cast iron headers, which should help with the breathing. I'm also doing other things to reduce the parasitic losses, such as ditching the stock fan/pulley setup and going with an electric fan, etc. Back to the topic of this thread- air cleaners. For $60, Tom will take your old stock oil bath air cleaner, gut it, install a dry K&N type air filter, and cut out the bottom to accept the 23/36 carb. Looks slick and keep a low profile so you don't run into hood clearance issues.I will let everyone know how well it works.

And that hate would cost you...?

Thanks, I met the guy at a local car show from the Crosley Club that sold me the rusty ones I used- He thought they looked great on the Plymouth, but he said he hasn't seen any others come up on eBay, Craiglist, or through his Crosley channels since. I guess they must be as rare as the Dodge truck duals. Timing and luck again!

On my '40 wagon, there wasn't enough room for 2 stock oil bath air cleaners, so I contacted the local Crosley club, purchased two rusty but usable Crosley oil bath air cleaners, which to me look remarkably like the Dodge truck dual cleaners for the Pilothouse trucks, which are now as rare as hen's teeth). I cut the bottoms off 2 stock Plymouth oil bath cleaners and welded them onto the Crosleys as the openings were too small for the Carters. Works great, looks stock. I may possibly change them out to paper filters once I retire in a few months with my copious amounts of free time ?

I also have a Ross Roy filmstrip record set. It is for a 1942 Plymouth, which may be of interest to our P 14 and P15 members. I worked with the someone from the Imperial club in the SF Bay area a few years ago, and although there were able to transfer the 35mm filmstrips and add the sound from the record, apparently their stylus was not the correct one, because the sound is very tinny. I will post them to my Youtube channel, if there is interest, but I'd like to get a quality soundtrack synced up with the four strips. Because it is an oversized 16 rpm record, you need a larger special turntable to play them. My set came with a 9 page script dated 9-24-41, directed toward the dealer with "Special Instructions For Using the Plymouth Product Film". and includes four strips: 1) Engineered to Stay new, 2) Safety Preferred, 3) performance With Economy, and 4) Designed for Complete Comfort.

Ok, Savoy. I like that too. Must be some Savoy scripts out there is eBayland...

Maybe I'll add a "Special" script to my "52 Suburban project because it will be a hodgepodge of different features and looks. It will have a '51 front clip, stock 218 motor with shaved head, 2 bbl carb with stock oil bath air cleaner converted to paper filter, 200R automatic trans, '49 lift gate with divided glass, overdrive script on the tailgate (the 200R is an OD tranny), original wheels and dog dish wheel covers with Coker Radials and Scarebird front brakes, and various other enhancements. It's fun to color outside the lines, while trying to stay true to Chrysler's designer's vision.

Cool - I was hoping I wouldn't have to redo the entire front end! Thanks for all the assistance. I learned some new stuff about Plymouth wagons vs the other wagons in family Mopar.

Mystery solved! I think...what could cause the extreme camber- still not enough weight?

James Douglas's database says the same 1322165 "except wagons" That's what's so puzzling- the motor is in the chassis and I rolled it back and forth to make sure everything would settle. Now the chassis is sans doors, front clip, glass, seats, tail and lift gate, etc. and the camber is at about 78 degrees. I wonder if all the added weight would correct the problem? Any other "51-'54 wagon owners know what part number their spindles are?

Thanks . I will try French lake, but I'm not sure which part number is correct.In my second picture above, the bearing is above where the kingpin goes through, whereas in the parts manual, it shows it below. Maybe the extra width of the bearing above was enough to bring the camber into a more vertical (normal) position even though 1322165 was possibly the wrong part installed on the wagon when I got it?

Hi James. I installed that number part and I believe it's too short as the camber is way off. The length of Your database says "except wagons" Mine is a '52 suburban. I found a spindle in my pile of parts that is 1539234, and is 5/8" longer, which I think would take care of the camber problem, however the Mopar interchange manual indicates "54 Imperial, Desoto and Chrysler cars, but not Plymouth or Dodge or Desoto station wagons. What does your database say for 1539234?

Also Andy Bernbaum https://www.oldmoparts.com may have some brackets

The visors can be created using thin plywood or masonite board. The brackets look suspiciously like mine, which were the same for pre-war Plymouth woodies, - Chrysler also used the same bracket and arm for Dodge Pilothouse trucks at least through '49. You may want to ask at the Pilothouse Forum. Also Vintage Power Wagons https://www.vintagepowerwagons.com might have something. I may have some spares that I got a Hershey a few years ago. I'll check. Good luck!

Welcome! I don’t have any experience with fluid drive, but I’ve restored a 1940 Dodge and it looks like yours would be a solid start for a restore. My fellow Forum members will have loads of information for you to follow. They are the best!

Great info- exactly what I needed! Thanks!

Cool, thanks!

While I have it torn down, I want to upgrade the front suspension on my '52 Suburban with a beefier swaybar and read threads on this forum that say Jeep Cherokee sway-bars work well. Paul Flaming, during his summer hiatus, gave me one to try out, but the geometry seems too different to work. If I cut off the ends and just heated the the tips, I think I could get it to fit, but could I heat it enough to bend it without annealing it where it would lose it's strength?

Also George Asche linkages.The Carter BBs (either D6H1, or D6H2 carbs, I can't remember) got sent to be rebuilt at a reputable shop down in the L.A. area. After the split exhaust manifolds the shop recombined the pipe into a larger single tail pipe, as the woodie doesn't have room for twin pipes due to the stock gas tank location. I tuned them using a vacuum gauge and they work really well. Acceleration and top end are both good, and I get 14-16 mpg. There wasn't enough room for 2 stock oil bath air cleaners, so I contacted the local Crosley club, purchased two rusty but usable Crosley oil bath air cleaners (which to me look remarkably like the Dodge truck dual cleaners for the Pilothouse trucks, which are now like hen's teeth). I cut the bottoms off 2 stock cleaners and welded them onto the Crosleys as the openings were too small for the Plymouth.

I'm running dual stock Carters with a George Asche split intake and exhaust manifolds. I used soft copper for some of the lines and Cunifer copper nickel brake line for the rest because it is super flexible and won't corrode. Don't remember what the size was - 5/16" or 3/8", but someone else will chime in.

I am interested...any links?

Here's how you literally bulletproof a Plymouth: This is from Jim Benjaminson’s great photo archive book “Plymouth Commercial Vehicles“ from 1999. He says “With the depression era crime wave of the 1930s, Plymouth found a ready market for armor plated cars for police work. Like the wood-bodied station wagon, Plymouth delivered the car to an outside supplier for the conversion. The Perfection Windshield Company offered several different packages for partial or complete armor plating. Although most of the conversion was under the sheetmetal and not seen, visible equipment included radiator, tire guards and a gun port through the bulletproof windshield. This 1935 PJ "Perfection" Plymouth was delivered to the Sioux Falls South Dakota police department following a raid on the local bank by the John Dillinger gang.

I found this from- you guessed it - a 1960's Volvo wagon! I like it because it looks like something Chrysler could have manufactured for it's post war cars and wagons. It was on eBay.