Paint color question

[Don Coatney]

Does anyone know the factory original color for the red portion of the trunk brake light bezel? A paint part number would be helpful. Anyone have or know of a NOS bezel that has the original color on it?

[Plymouthy Adams]

sent a PM on my techinque and color choice..this is also availbe on a forum search from a prior posting of mine with detailed pictures.

[Don Coatney]

sent a PM on my techinque and color choice..this is also availbe on a forum search from a prior posting of mine with detailed pictures.

Thanks Tim;

I would still like a number of the original red color.

[Norm's Coupe]

Don,

Don't know if it's the official color or not, but I think it's just plain RED. I have a list of the official P15 colors for the cars in the book. However, neither the service manual nor the parts book says anything about the color for the bezel.

That said, I bought a rechromed tail light bezel from Tony Urwin a few years ago when he was into that. He painted the letters in that and the hood ornament after having them rechromed. Think he said he used Testors Red hobby paint to paint them with. As mentioned, don't know if that was the same as original, but they did look good.

[BobT-47P15]

I think the original was about as bright a red as that on it now, but

of course was thinner and smoother because probably done by a machine.

I have been using a Testor's paint pen instead of a little jar of the

model car paint and a brush. Probably if the jar of paint was thinned,

it would make a smoother finish. It seems my replacement paint jobs

don't last anywhere near as long as the original. Have no clue what

the original paint name or number would be. Might use some type of

epoxy paint for durability.

Perhaps Jim Benjaminson or others on the POC forum might know.****i posted the question just now.

[Norm's Coupe]

Bob,

I think the reason the paint held up better on the originals was because they probably roughed up the surface first. Paint doesn't stick to chrome to well.

Actually, the paint on my stoplight bezel I bought from Tony is still there. Think he said he roughed it up a little before painting. However, in my case I wish it would wear off faster. I like the looks of it better not painted.

[Plymouthy Adams]

my day is now complete

[BobT-47P15]

If a person doesn't go for originality, those letters could be painted any

color you might choose. Something complimentary to the color of the

car perhaps.

[Don Coatney]

I think the original was about as bright a red as that on it now, but

of course was thinner and smoother because probably done by a machine.

I have been using a Testor's paint pen instead of a little jar of the

model car paint and a brush. Probably if the jar of paint was thinned,

it would make a smoother finish. It seems my replacement paint jobs

don't last anywhere near as long as the original. Have no clue what

the original paint name or number would be. Might use some type of

epoxy paint for durability.

Perhaps Jim Benjaminson or others on the POC forum might know.****i posted the question just now.

Thanks Bob;

The reason I am looking for the paint code numbers is that Todd at Technostalgia

www.cool-leds.com

is looking to start production (early March) on the new P-15 LED brake light. He wants to match the factory red color as close as possible. These new bezels are 12 volt only. They are made to fit all P-15's including coupes, verts, and sedans. I currently have his LED tail/turn light assemblies on my car and I am very happy with them.

[Don Coatney]

my day is now complete

LOL.....

[Norm's Coupe]

Thanks Bob;

The reason I am looking for the paint code numbers is that Todd at Technostalgia

www.cool-leds.com

is looking to start production (early March) on the new P-15 LED brake light. He wants to match the factory red color as close as possible. These new bezels are 12 volt only. They are made to fit all P-15's including coupes, verts, and sedans. I currently have his LED tail/turn light assemblies on my car and I am very happy with them.

Don, do you mean they are going to try and make one to fit all the models, or one for sedans and another for coupes and convertibles. The reason I ask is, the sedans have a different curve on the trunk than the sedans do. Coupe and convertible has the same trunk lid. Guess you could take up the space of the curve with a gasket, but the gasket would have to be thicker on one of them. Also, the coupe bezel is not as long (wide) as the sedan bezel is, and the coupe bezel is thicker (taller) than the sedan bezel.

[Young Ed]

I'm pretty sure they are making 2. When he started this project I sold him a sedan version and I know he was looking for a coupe one to buy too.

[BobT-47P15]

I followed Don around some in Tulsa last summer, and can attest to the

fact that these lights do work well. They blink 3 times in rapid succession

when you first step on the brake, then light up like normal brake lights.

But you had to know hand turn signals to determine which way he would be

turning.

(I've noticed that the l.e.d. brake and tail lights on some new cars are so bright they almost blind you.....perhaps

too much of a good thing.)

[Don Coatney]

Don' date=' do you mean they are going to try and make one to fit all the models, or one for sedans and another for coupes and convertibles. The reason I ask is, the sedans have a different curve on the trunk than the sedans do. Coupe and convertible has the same trunk lid. Guess you could take up the space of the curve with a gasket, but the gasket would have to be thicker on one of them. Also, the coupe bezel is not as long (wide) as the sedan bezel is, and the coupe bezel is thicker (taller) than the sedan bezel.[/quote']

Norm;

One will fit all. If this does not suit your needs dont buy. Personally I think it is rather innovative.

[Norm's Coupe]

Norm;

One will fit all. If this does not suit your needs dont buy. Personally I think it is rather innovative.

Don, since my coupe is still 6 volt I wouldn't buy one to begin with. However, if the bezels are going to be for both, as long as the lettering is red it doesn't matter about being close to original. They won't be that close to original anyway if they are only making the one size. That's why the originals were made for the coupes/convertible and sedans to make them fit the curve of the trunk better. The originals are different size and do have two separate part numbers.

I'm far from a purest, but if I was to buy a highly visible original reproduction part, I would want it to look like original.

[BobT-47P15]

Jim Benjaminson from the POC board said he had used International

Harvester red at one time.

[Furylee2]

Does anyone know the factory original color for the red portion of the trunk brake light bezel? A paint part number would be helpful. Anyone have or know of a NOS bezel that has the original color on it?

I always thought that color red was a darker red, rather than a bright red. My brother has an NOS bezel hanging on his garage wall, and I think based on that, we used Rustoleum Regal Red when we restored his hub caps, bezels, nameplates, etc on his 46 P-15 a number of years ago. I went and got it last night and used some Windex and a q-tip to clean the dust/dirt off without removing any more paint. You can see it’s a darker red.

I’ve been using the same color paint on my 41 as well. When I took the center medallion off that grill piece in the photo, the original paint was the same darker red.

[Don Coatney]

Thanks to all who responded. With the information they now have Technostalgia will copy the red paint color taken from a nice original hood piece. Todd was in touch this morning and informed me that they are indeed making two brake light assemblies. One for coupes and one for sedans, So I stand corrected in my statement that one fits all.

It is good news that there is a company reproducing parts for something besides furds and chubys. I have been using there tail light assemblies on my car for quite a while and I an very happy with there product. Unfortunately these light assemblies are only available in 12 volts. I do not have any connections to this company other than I am a satisfied customer. Below is a link to their web site.

http://www.cool-leds.com/newproducts.htm#46Plymouth

[Johnny S]

It seems as if there is growing interest for sure with some of our old Mopars. And you know....I suspect that this little "humble" forum has played at least a part in that interest. It gets great coverage and has much more action that the POC site for sure.

It would seem as if a 6 volt version might be entirely possible as well.

I hope they see an opportunity to expand on this new market and take advantage of the increasing interest as time goes on. But the proof will be if people actually buy the product. If you have seen the ad for the "new" '57 Chevy convertible in some of the custom and rodding magazines the company marketing folks speak to the "one piece at a time" approach that ultimately led to the ability to produce an entire car. This is but one more piece for the P15 ... I think that's great.

[Allan Faust]

Don,

Wouldn't the head honchos of the POC have that info... since after all they judge the vehicles for political correctness.... which would include paint, etc...

Allan

[Plymouthy Adams]

POC list colors but no formulas and if memory serves me correct I really don't recall that red external trim color really mentioned.

[Allan Faust]

POC list colors but no formulas and if memory serves me correct I really don't recall that red external trim color really mentioned.

The thing is Tim, is once you have the color names, formulas can be found from that....

Allan

[Allan Faust]

Don,

The only data I could find were 2 enamel colors, (probably just the exterior colors) Air Cruiser Red and Squad Red (Squad red seems to be the closest to the red in question) and they have codes of DAL 50000 and DAL 70004 respectively, the squad red formula being 46 white 4, 2 black 32, 29 red 164, and 28 red 1110 (for a quart) doesn't have a formula for the air cruiser red. I'd figure they'd use the same enamel for the smaller objects as well as the exterior paint.... my opinion, anyways.

Allan

[Norm's Coupe]

The thing is Tim, is once you have the color names, formulas can be found from that....

Allan

Allan, Tim is correct. The red color on the trim is not mentioned in the books as to what color red, or a paint code number. Someone mentioned they had an NOS stoplight bezel with the original paint still intact to take the color from. However, even that one is not the correct red now either because it has to be faded from all those years, even if wrapped up. Based on that, even a POC show judge is just guessing at the correct red.

As long as they paint the letters red on the repops that Don mentioned, I think they will look right. Of course, the POC will probably knock off points for the car being 12 volt in a judging contest anyway, so it's really a moot point.

Like I said before, I probably wouldn't buy the new LED tail lights or stoplight for two reasons. One, don't want to change over to 12 volts. Two, mine are all nice chrome and don't need replacing now. But..........for those who do change over to 12 volt and need replacement bezels, the repops sound like the way to go.

[Plymouthy Adams]

Allan..so many paints have the same formula and go by different names..and even more that have same names and different formulas...even with that said, you can go to a number of paint jobbers with a known old car formula and get back the answer that they no longer can cross the formulas and in most instances the formula was "matched" with a more modern paint and based on tint and tint weight is suitable match...be this DuPont, Ditzler or my favorite, Limco or HOC's, Glasserit etc etc.. Take a more common newer paint name, Argent Silver..every manucacturer has this listed for trim..every one is different...even that formula changed over the years though the name did not..it is model and year specific in most case and if you are in the market..use the 1970 Argent Silver by Chrysler if you want a truely fantastic silver trim.