1934 plymouth transmission guide pin

[Crazyred]

I'm getting everything ready to reinstall the transmission and can't figure out the reason for this guide pin. The manual says it's a clutch release assembly guide pin. The thing is, the pin does not touch the assembly or bearing.  I am waiting for the pull back spring to arrive but it will be attached to the side of this pin. 

 

Does anyone know what this actually guides?

 

 

[Sniper]

Probably supposed to work with something else to keep the release bearing from spinning

[TodFitch]

On my 1933 (and I think the 34 is the same) there is a casting/forging that the release bearing is pressed on to. That fitting has a couple of ears that the release shaft presses against to actuate the clutch and it has a small hole that guides it along that pictured rod. And, finally, there is a hole on the fitting for a return spring to pull the release bearing away from the pressure plate fingers.

 

It looks like you have an entirely different fitting than the one in my '33 (and I assume is needed for the '34). Unfortunately I don't have a spare so I can't send a photo of what is should look like.

[Crazyred]

Hmmm, now I'm wondering if that's why the spring was not on this assembly. 

 

@TodFitch your site shows part number 620658 for the assembly.  A web search did not pull up any results or pictures for me.  Does anyone have a picture or diagram of this part?

[Crazyred]

So the spring arrived and installed it on the sleeve and it's not going to work with this configuration. As i figured the spring pulls twists the assembly to one side and taking it out of alignment.  

 

 

So the hunt is on for the correct assembly. If i can't find one then i will have to figure out how to attach the spring to the guide bolt to pull straight back. 

 

Anyone have a spare assembly for this guide pin set up or know where i could find one?

[Sniper]

Here's a picture of a 33 Dodge throwout bearing and sleeve

 

https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/1933-dodge-throwout-bearing.1160059/

[TodFitch]

4 minutes ago, Sniper said:

Here's a picture of a 33 Dodge throwout bearing and sleeve

 

https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/1933-dodge-throwout-bearing.1160059/

That looks like I remember the one on my 1933 Plymouth looks like and is, I believe, what @Crazyred should be looking for.

[Sniper]

FWIW, I think the part number is 602218 for the sleeve

 

https://www.ply33.com/Parts/group6

[Crazyred]

@Sniper thanks for that link now I have an idea of what that looks like.  I have been searching that same part number from Tod's site with no luck or the search bots are blocking the good results. 

 

@TodFitchthanks for confirming the identification of what the part looks like.  I had no idea as none of my service books had any close up drawings of it.

 

The link article, someone had mentioned that it looks like a ford part as well.  Might go down that rabbit hole to see it anything turns up.  Also there is a part number of 601303 embossed in the sleeve.  I'll give that a search as well.

 

[desoto1939]

I went into my 1929-39 Plymouth master Parts manual went to section  group 6-e clutch release bearing sleeve and guide.

 

I copied this section for you I think the sleeve part number 602218  and the spring number  573318.

 

Hope this helps.  The Feral Clutch release bearing is a 909

I did some searching on ebay for 32-34 Plymouth clutch and there are couple of sellers that have the  automatic control units. Contact them they might have what you are looking for, just a thought.

 

This is the best that I can do for you.  I am more of a 39 desoto guy.

 

Rich Hartung

Desoto1939@aol.com

 

 

Clutch Release bearing sleeve.pdf

[desoto1939]

I did some looking in my 29-39 Desoto Master Parts manual.  The pul back sping is also used in the early desoto cars.

 

I have a contact that might be of some help. His name is Les Pesavento he is the past president of the National desoto club and has seeral 29 desoto's.

 

Call him and tellhim that Rich Hartung provided you with his name and phone. He might have the parts not sure but it is a good chance.

 

Les's phone number is  586-945-5105    email lesterpres@gmail.com  Let me know if he was of any help?

 

Rich Hartung

desoto199@aol.com

[Crazyred]

@desoto1939 thanks for the parts list. If I'm able to find the correct sleeve I'll contact Les if my current spring doesn't work correctly.