Jocko_51_B3B Posted February 24, 2020 Report Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) I have 6V Wagner H6006 headlights for my B3B. Is this the standard terminal arrangement for this type of headlight? First off, these markings are wrong! Here's how it should be... LO at the top. GND to the left. HI to the right. Edited February 25, 2020 by Jocko_51_B3B Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted February 24, 2020 Report Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) common as houseflies......many swap meets have vendors dedicated to pigtails and other wiring products...the wires on their replacement head light plugs are ample for 6 volts...on the average, their relay pigtails are also over kill on gauge...suitable for 6 volt headlight application. Edited February 24, 2020 by Plymouthy Adams 1 Quote
Jocko_51_B3B Posted February 24, 2020 Author Report Posted February 24, 2020 Thanks Very Much. I figured this terminal arrangement was standard, but I searched all over the internet and called several vendors who sell this exact headlight and couldn't get a straight answer out of anyone. You answered in about two minutes flat! Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted February 24, 2020 Report Posted February 24, 2020 many retailer today are busy with the here and now and the here and now is composite style lighting where the lamp take the contours of the body of the car. Now add to this the very trend to ILLEGIALLY upgrade these composites to HID/LED where the housing is not internally cast to pre-focus this style lamp. The current style lamps are a different style pin out. The plugs you need will be for about any of the glass round and or rectangular 2 and 4 bulb systems before composites were made. The difference will be in some cases the very gauge of the wire in the pigtail...but.....not all is lost there either as the very terminal in these pigtails easily unclip and you care carefully change the wiring size as needed. These plug fit most all H4 series also. Quote
bkahler Posted February 24, 2020 Report Posted February 24, 2020 30 minutes ago, Jocko_51_B3B said: I have 6V Wagner H6006 headlights for my B3B. Is this the standard terminal arrangement for this type of headlight? I could be wrong here but I seem to remember the three connections on my 51 were all flat blade connectors as were all the other bulbs of I've seen in American vehicles of the 40s through the 80s. This bulb seems to have one flat and two round studs. Am I missing something? Quote
Tooljunkie Posted February 24, 2020 Report Posted February 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, bkahler said: I could be wrong here but I seem to remember the three connections on my 51 were all flat blade connectors as were all the other bulbs of I've seen in American vehicles of the 40s through the 80s. This bulb seems to have one flat and two round studs. Am I missing something? Look closer, the terminals are there. i have never seen the three connections as marked, i would think the configuration is different. the centre pin, marked as ground i believe is high beam. set up the way its marked, goes dim and dimmer. It puts the 2 filaments in series. best way to check is with an ohmmeter. You will find two circuits with close resistance and one almost double. The double is the two filaments in series, incorrect. 1 Quote
bkahler Posted February 24, 2020 Report Posted February 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Tooljunkie said: Look closer, the terminals are there. i have never seen the three connections as marked, i would think the configuration is different. the centre pin, marked as ground i believe is high beam. set up the way its marked, goes dim and dimmer. It puts the 2 filaments in series. best way to check is with an ohmmeter. You will find two circuits with close resistance and one almost double. The double is the two filaments in series, incorrect. Ok, got it! These old eyes don't see things so well anymore! My focus just zeroed in on those round tips and that's all I saw Thanks! Quote
stylesadamson Posted February 24, 2020 Report Posted February 24, 2020 just get 2 alligator clip leads and check them using your battery to be sure Quote
Jocko_51_B3B Posted February 24, 2020 Author Report Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) I originally tried measuring resistances between the terminals with a Fluke and got 0.2, 0.2, and 0.3 Ohms, but the readings were jittery so I didn't really trust the numbers. The 0.3 was probably both filaments in series, but the 0.2 and 0.2 didn't help me tell the difference between HI and LO. Then I called Wagner who makes the H6006 headlight and they gave me the terminal designations as I marked them in my photo. But I like to crosscheck things so I started this thread anyway rather than take Wagner's word without question. Sure enough, Plymouthy got back in about two minutes to verify Wagner. Now I feel better. Here's perhaps a better photo which makes the terminals clearer: Again, these markings are wrong! Here's how it should be... LO at the top. GND to the left. HI to the right. Edited February 25, 2020 by Jocko_51_B3B Quote
bkahler Posted February 24, 2020 Report Posted February 24, 2020 15 minutes ago, Jocko_51_B3B said: I originally tried measuring resistances between the terminals with a Fluke and got 0.2, 0.2, and 0.3 Ohms, but the readings were jittery so I didn't really trust the numbers. The 0.3 was probably both filaments in series, but the 0.2 and 0.2 didn't help me tell the difference between HI and LO. Then I called Wagner who makes the H6006 headlight and they gave me the terminal designations as I marked them in my photo. But I like to crosscheck things so I started this thread anyway rather than take Wagner's word without question. Sure enough, Plymouth got back in about two minutes to verify Wagner. Now I feel better. Here's perhaps a better photo which makes the terminals clearer: Well whaddya know......there really are three flat blade terminals! ? Quote
Tooljunkie Posted February 25, 2020 Report Posted February 25, 2020 To verify without doubt, connect 2 terminals to your battery. Whichever 2 light both filaments leaves the ground terminal which isnt connected. Quote
Tooljunkie Posted February 25, 2020 Report Posted February 25, 2020 Should check my fargo bulbs i guess. Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted February 25, 2020 Report Posted February 25, 2020 in his picture, he clearly has ground, high and low marked on the bulb identifying each blade.... Quote
Tooljunkie Posted February 25, 2020 Report Posted February 25, 2020 9 hours ago, Plymouthy Adams said: in his picture, he clearly has ground, high and low marked on the bulb identifying each blade.... Many people, including the mfr tech on the phone will assume middle terminal is ground/ earth/neutral. That is not industry standard. if the high beam indicator illuminates, on both high and low,then bulbs are wired incorrectly. Causing a backfeed. Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted February 25, 2020 Report Posted February 25, 2020 thanks tooljunkie, good catch, while I did not pay attention to his marking I saw he had them marked and assumed he had tested this....but yes, his as shown, has his markings running contrary to normal three prong headlight wiring... Quote
Jocko_51_B3B Posted February 25, 2020 Author Report Posted February 25, 2020 That's what I'm trying to determine, which terminal is HI, LO, and GND. If my markings are wrong (which is what the Wagner tech gave me), then it's a good thing I didn't trust the Wagner tech. What is the industry standard? Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted February 25, 2020 Report Posted February 25, 2020 do yourself a favor and search the internet...headlight connector wiring diagram....go to images...there are a host of pictures to aid you... Quote
Tooljunkie Posted February 25, 2020 Report Posted February 25, 2020 Curiosity got the better of me. I went out to my fargo with original wiring and the connector is clearly marked. Keep in mind,drive would be bright and pass be dim. 1 2 Quote
Tooljunkie Posted February 25, 2020 Report Posted February 25, 2020 Hope this helps. Satisfied my curiosity if anything. Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted February 25, 2020 Report Posted February 25, 2020 I see spidy things..... Quote
Tooljunkie Posted February 25, 2020 Report Posted February 25, 2020 Should see the wasp nest in the left rear wheelwell, almost football size... Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted February 25, 2020 Report Posted February 25, 2020 I'll take your word on it.....thank you....I have never had much of a reaction to b-stings. then late one evening I ran over a yellow jacket nest with the mower....when I turned I ran straight into the swarm...I gave them a running John Deere yard tractor and they hit me 43 times for the gesture......I monitored my BP and pulse quite close and popped a couple Benadryl for good measure...sipped a coffee as a I watched to see where the were entering the ground....at fall of dark, Dr. Death paid them a visit in the form of gasoline and a torch...I get nervous now around sting bees/wasps....this was the type incident that pushed my grandmother to an Epi-pen lifestyle.. the nest was a pie plate size a few inches into the dirt, digging it up I then found a second pie plate nest a few inches below the first...a modern duplex if you will... Quote
Jocko_51_B3B Posted February 25, 2020 Author Report Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) Tooljunkie, I think you are right. I went to this site: https://wiringforums.com/3-prong-headlight-wiring-diagram/ and found this diagram which matches your photo. But I like to make sense out of things myself so I tried this; I measured the current through the three pin combinations using a DMM. My battery is at 6.21 Volts. I got the following current readings between the pins, 4.46A, 5.47A, and 7.15A. The lowest current must be flowing through BOTH filaments. The next highest must be flowing through the LO beam to ground. The highest current must be the flowing through the HI beam to ground. Here's what I got: Edited February 26, 2020 by Jocko_51_B3B Quote
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