what is the deal with plymouth hating hot rodders

[Guest jjmorrse]

The comment about Dwayne on American hot rod knocking the Tulsa Plymouth got me going about several plymouths that have been in the mags recently. The October custom rodder has a really clean 53. Of course, the article has to qualify the nameplate as " not what one might think of as premium hot rod fodder". Other recent mags have had nice mid 50s plymouths as readers submissions. Every time they feel the need to say the plymouth is usually thought of as an ugly car, but whatever particular one referred to looks ok. When did the hot rodding community get so sissified that they were scared to like an off brand car? I'll admit it, I like the 53 and 54s. They have some of the angularity that would show up in 55 for other makes without going overboard, and the lines look subdued to me. Besides, if Johnny Cash had one (54 for real, 53 in the movies) it is really bad mojo to knock 'em in my book.

[eric wissing]

Dewayne is a real head case. They must have to sign some release when they take a job at Boyd's shop. How he hasn't got his butt kicked or Boyd sued is amazing. Eric

[greg g]

I have this recurring vision of Bloat, Dwayne, and GW ( yup our beloved Commander in Chief) lined up and having a group 3 Stooges slap around. NYUCK, NYUCK, WHOOP WHOOP, OH Wise guy eh?????? But Dubbya is busy at the OPEC er Apec Conference..........

[62rebelP23]

i watched about three shows before i grew so disgusted with Drain and his perpetually p'd off attitude and switched off. Bouyed (by big wads of cash) is about as "in touch" with hot rodding as my dead aunt Tillie.

and Snot Rod magazine has been on my "no buy" list since the early '80's for being so GM oriented. whenever they DO feature anything but GM it HAS to be some "freak of nature" that took thousands of hours and dollars to get anywhere near a crapbox camaro. one horsepower per cubic inch? on carbs? that honor goes to Chrysler. best brakes on production cars for decades? again, Chrysler corporation. first alternator? ditto. best build quality in the early '50's? yep.

primedia is one sorry excuse for a publishing company with an agenda geared towards selling the GM product.

[PatS....]

I say let them hate the Mopars. Once those "investors" discover the good old Mopar, the prices go through the roof and I for one will be priced out.

The Mopars are as good or better than the Ferds and Chebbies but prices are still affordable. Lets keep the secret!!!

[steveplym]

Anyone who listens to what dwayne says on Boyd's show is a head case. I watched that show somewhat just because I liked Charlie the body shop mgr. The way they treated him when he left was a crime. Quit watching soon after that.

Anyway, I've been to several street rod shows this year and saw more and more mopars. I bet I took 70 or more pics of strictly mopars at Frog Follies and didn't take get half of them that were there on film.

Seems the Fords and Chevies are getting either too hard to find, or too expensive to build. Possibly everyone is looking for something different. I also saw a lot of old mopars keeping the flatheads, which was neat to see.

[Plymouthy Adams]

Face it there are so few sources for reproduction parts and years ago I believe I read the reason was that Chrysler would go after these companies with an infringement type suite...it cost companies so much money to get licensed by Chrysler to reproduce the items...so as I read it, Chrysler has pretty much shot their loyal followers in the foot...you see a rather large amount for the so-called B body muscle car era..with a good amount of A bodied barts becoming availabel through companies like Year-1 and to add to that the prices are a bit more expensive than their counterparts..so if you have few licensed suppliers, high demand, the cost will be reflective..

[Normspeed]

I'm with Pat, let's hope they never get as popular as the Fords and Chevys. Those might have a thriving aftermarket trade but the barn finds are pretty scarce. Still a lot of affordable great old Mopars out there if you look.

[Dennis Hemingway]

I like the O'Reilly Auto Part Store ads that Boyd and Dwayne do on TV, where Dwayne has a dead line and runs to the store to get parts. The only problem is the closest O'Reilly's store to Boyds shop in California is in Texas.

Dennis

[cwcars88]

Don't be to hard on us hot rodders. Just because Dewayne on American Hot Rodders is a bone head. I have got 2 stock fords a 31 and a 64 1/2, 2 chev street rods, 46 panel delivery and 57 2dr,ht and THREE P-15s.

The first one I bought about 10 years ago to street rod, it was stock, untouched with a few battle scars. I didn't have the heart to cut it up, so I tuned it up, went completely through the brake system, put dual exhaust on, had to center cut out of the wheels so I can use the stock hub caps and had 14" wheels welded on. It is also lowered. It has been my daily driver for ten years and has only failed me twice, I ran it out of gas.

I bought my second one to street rod about 5 years ago ( from a street rodder) it was just a shell but in great shape.

Then I found out there was one in California that was going to go to the crusher it had already been chopped 2 1/2", so I drove across two states to save it. I have been working on it off and on for a year.

So I still have my daily driver and the one with the straight body. If I don't restore it I will try to sell it to someone that will NOT a hot rodder.

Wayne

[PatS....]

Unlike what a poster on another board said, these things are not historic treasures to be maintained in strictly original condition for the next generation to see. That is just wayy to boring. Lets have some of everything out there.

I like restored, rodded, chopped, channeled, sectioned, original survivors and just plain old beaters.

I have to admit a bit of a cringe at seeing a low mileage original survivor heavily modified, but if it's well done, I get over it.

It's just great when they are back on the road again with a new lease on life.

I do get cranky when a decent car is chopped up and then the "chopper upper" loses interest, or does a really shi!!y job of it. Most of those go to the scrapper. That's a shame.

[toddbracik]

Don't be to hard on us hot rodders. Just because Dewayne on American Hot Rodders is a bone head. I have got 2 stock fords a 31 and a 64 1/2, 2 chev street rods, 46 panel delivery and 57 2dr,ht and THREE P-15s.

The first one I bought about 10 years ago to street rod, it was stock, untouched with a few battle scars. I didn't have the heart to cut it up, so I tuned it up, went completely through the brake system, put dual exhaust on, had to center cut out of the wheels so I can use the stock hub caps and had 14" wheels welded on. It is also lowered. It has been my daily driver for ten years and has only failed me twice, I ran it out of gas.

I bought my second one to street rod about 5 years ago ( from a street rodder) it was just a shell but in great shape.

Then I found out there was one in California that was going to go to the crusher it had already been chopped 2 1/2", so I drove across two states to save it. I have been working on it off and on for a year.

So I still have my daily driver and the one with the straight body. If I don't restore it I will try to sell it to someone that will NOT a hot rodder.

Wayne

I recently was in Washington state to climb Mount St Helens and I have to say the other highlight of my trip was to see and ride around in Wayne's fine collection of cars from the Ford's to the Chevy's to the p15's. If you are in or around Longview Washington, Look him up. You'll be glad you did. Him and his wife are very hospitable. Todd B.

[steveplym]

Unlike what a poster on another board said, these things are not historic treasures to be maintained in strictly original condition for the next generation to see. That is just wayy to boring. Lets have some of everything out there.

I like restored, rodded, chopped, channeled, sectioned, original survivors and just plain old beaters.

I have to admit a bit of a cringe at seeing a low mileage original survivor heavily modified, but if it's well done, I get over it.

It's just great when they are back on the road again with a new lease on life.

I do get cranky when a decent car is chopped up and then the "chopper upper" loses interest, or does a really shi!!y job of it. Most of those go to the scrapper. That's a shame.

That is very true. The most of the next generation feel that original cars are boring. Then there are those who thinks both sides of the equation are neat.

I like seeing a really nice street rod just as I like seeing a nice original car. If someone is biased one way or the other that is their problem.

Street rodding has got a lot of the younger generation involved in the classic car hobby. Rat rods are big too. If the torch is not passed on to the next generation what will happen to all these nice cars?

Makes you wonder.

[PatS....]

Well, when I was young, the antique car hobby consisted of Cadillacs Packards, Buicks and the so called "senior" cars.

You hardly ever see those era cars anymore...where did they go?

Seems the ones getting the big bucks now are the muscle cars and the radical rods/customs.

Guys are buying and building cars these days specifically to profit or flip, like a house. I suppose that mentality saves some from the crusher.

[Shawn F.]

As for me, I am only 20 years old but I like old cars. Old meaning 20's-50's. 60's-80's are ok with me as long as they are trucks. I like muscle cars but they don't do anything for me. When I see a muscle car, I appreciate it but I don't get all hyped up over one. I like 30's and 40's the most. As for my Chrysler 3 window, I plan to keep it almost all original besides the brakes, interior COLOR and possibly paint color once I figure out what the original color really was. As for my 48 Chevy coupe, I will hot rod it out but have a 50's look and keep what trim I have for it on it and the hood emblem (I used to not like hood emblems but now I do, to me they make a front end since they don't do this to cars anymore) but I will make it look old with a modern drivetrain and suspension. As for my 66 F100 pickup, I plan to shave it, drop it and already changed the engine and tranny.

I guess what I am getting at is I like all makes of OLD vehicles and I appreciate all of them even if the owner did something to it I don't like. I just appreciate the fact that they are saving old cars whether it's Mopar, Chevy, Ford, Buick, original, lead sled, totally custom, etc.

Here is an example of a Buick that still has an original feel but lowered, and a few minor or "modern" touches.

[Guest rockabillybassman]

I've been a hotrodder for over 40 years, and I dont hate Mopars. Granted, my '55 Plymouth is the first Mopar I've ever had, but that's not because I've disliked them. More that I really never came across any, apart from a gorgeous 38 Desoto coupe I tried to buy once.

[fredsv8shop]

[David Maxwell]

But I'm glad so many people have been ignorant regarding Plymouths because it kept them from chopping them all up over the years.

[Shawn F.]

I agree. Also kept the price down on them. I've always wondered why Mopars were never big. I asked a bit of people and they all said that mostly it's because they don't like big boat cars that are heavy and huge. Guess it's true but for me I like any make. I can't stand the guys that talk crap on every make of vehicle and think theirs or just one make is the best. IMO they all have their pros and cons. I like Mopars, Fords, Chevies, Buicks, Studebakers (love these), Packards, Nash's (just because these are different and cool with the front fender skirt looking fenders), etc. I don't like EVERY chevy, ford or mopar, some to me are ugly, some are boring, some to me just have too many problems. I bet most of the people talking down on a Plymouth have never driven one or maybe they have driven one once or so but they never worked on one and owned one, so they can't really talk.

[Plymouthy Adams]

I like the ABC's of the hobby...

Lou Earle was at the house yesterday..peeking about the Old Stude earlier I found it has a very old looking electric fuel pump..big square heavy looking unit...Lou left a battery behind for the car...may get out there and see about cranking the old bullet nose up...this sucker is 246 flattie with overdrive tranny...

[Shawn F.]

Pictures???

[D25_Steve]

I believe that it is Hot Rod magazine that is going to have a 1941 Plymouth in it soon. Its from Canada, and is a two-toned convertible - celery on black.

[Normspeed]

Now you're talkin' Steve. 41, a big favorite of mine.

Hot Rod has changed their style a bit, they cover a pretty wide swath of performance stuff, new and old, high buck and low buck. They keep talking me into renewals. At $12 per year and free hats, I'm hooked. Today I got this shop clock in the mail for my renewal.

[BobT-47P15]

Dang, I had to buy my old MoPar clock.

About $17 on ebay....quite a while back.

Works for me though.

I occasionally look thru the new rod, custom and low rider magazines.

They do have some interesting stuff that I like.

Have you ever looked at some of the cool (in my opinion) things they do with some of those 40s and 50s cars in the low rider field?? I may not like each

and every modification they do, but they often preserve the general appearance and feel of those cars. Just my 2 centavos.

[Shawn F.]

I have to agree, I don't particularly like the wheels and gold and "curb feeler" additions but other than that the low rider guys keep all the original trim and chrome on these cars and they do deck them out in chrome which looks very nice. I think when people get these nice 40's and 50's big grilled and bumpered cars and PAINT them, it just ruins the car! That last (what is it 49-53?, I cant remember I have to go back here in the post and look at it) Chevy in the back behind the 54 would IMO look awesome with a set of stock wheels and nice baby moon caps and wide whites.