Pvnyhus Posted January 28, 2017 Report Posted January 28, 2017 Is it possible to use the 3" dropped uprights with drum brakes ? Quote
hansen Posted January 29, 2017 Report Posted January 29, 2017 Mine is a -49,dont know if it is a difference from a -41.But I have 3,5 drop and drum brakes. No problems. 3 Quote
Pvnyhus Posted January 29, 2017 Author Report Posted January 29, 2017 Is it from Farman? Do you got a pic of the suspension ? Quote
hansen Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 I am not the builder of this car,only bought it.But I know that the upright ( steeringknuckle) was bought from a company in West Virginia. 1 Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 to the best of my knowledge that after Tom's death things in Delbarton and Ply-Do did not get revived into a striving business adventure. I gave up on them, calls went unanswered. A member here who is local to them also had similar experience. Maybe in time when the dust settles the inventory will again be available to the public. The Fatman uprights are a good source yet. Quote
Pvnyhus Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Posted January 30, 2017 i have now ordered moog cc850 springs to get it higher in front. So I like to drop it with uprights so I handels better then with cut springs. Is Fatman the best one's to by? Howe low is it best to order? Any links with ok prices? Pic of mine Quote
Bmartin Posted February 2, 2017 Report Posted February 2, 2017 If I remember correctly, fatman requires a disc brake conversion for the uprights. I've got a set of their uprights that I have swapped in and out to try and get the right height. I have a 40. The main issue I had is that the Fatman uprights push the wheels out somewhere along the lines of 1/2". This was too much for me as the tires are tucked and already close to the fender. It put my tire right into the fender. The disk brakes actually kick the track wider as well. More like 1/4", but with it being this tight, everything matters. I went with cut Moogs on mine and the ride is firm but good. 2 Quote
40plyrod Posted February 3, 2017 Report Posted February 3, 2017 (edited) I have a 40 as well and also used Moog coil springs but I didn't cut them instead I relocated the spring pocket from the top side of the lower A-arm to the bottom side. Only required grinding off the rivets trimming the edges of the spring pocket so it sits tight and bolting it back together with grade 8 bolts. You can see the process and end result on my build thread. Edited February 3, 2017 by 40plyrod 1 Quote
Pvnyhus Posted February 3, 2017 Author Report Posted February 3, 2017 Do you want to sell the Fatman uprights to me? Quote
classiccarjack Posted February 3, 2017 Report Posted February 3, 2017 On 1/30/2017 at 10:08 AM, Plymouthy Adams said: to the best of my knowledge that after Tom's death things in Delbarton and Ply-Do did not get revived into a striving business adventure. I gave up on them, calls went unanswered. A member here who is local to them also had similar experience. Maybe in time when the dust settles the inventory will again be available to the public. The Fatman uprights are a good source yet. Your 100% right. I spoke to him the day before he left to the race and died at the track. After calling for weeks, I finally got a call back from Tom's wife. It has been a few years past now and no Plydo. I really miss the conversions and the great parts available to make my projects better.... I still miss him. Quote
Pvnyhus Posted February 6, 2017 Author Report Posted February 6, 2017 On 2.2.2017 at 8:57 PM, Bmartin said: If I remember correctly, fatman requires a disc brake conversion for the uprights. I've got a set of their uprights that I have swapped in and out to try and get the right height. I have a 40. The main issue I had is that the Fatman uprights push the wheels out somewhere along the lines of 1/2". This was too much for me as the tires are tucked and already close to the fender. It put my tire right into the fender. The disk brakes actually kick the track wider as well. More like 1/4", but with it being this tight, everything matters. I went with cut Moogs on mine and the ride is firm but good. Do you want to sell the uprights? IF it fits my 41 dodge.... Quote
Bmartin Posted February 7, 2017 Report Posted February 7, 2017 I think I am going to hang on to them for now. I may use them in the future. Quote
Pvnyhus Posted February 8, 2017 Author Report Posted February 8, 2017 Ok;) Is it possible to turn my org uprights upside down? Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted February 8, 2017 Report Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) if you were to look at the aftermarket units that offering the lowering by raising the king pin pivot, you will notice they are welded units of steel and not forged like original. Perhaps you can fabricate a set to the drop height you wish. They are not that out of the world expensive, but given your geographical location I see your concerns of unavailability to put your hands on and inspect prior to purchase... Edited February 8, 2017 by Plymouthy Adams 1 Quote
Pvnyhus Posted February 8, 2017 Author Report Posted February 8, 2017 I got this answer from a fatman uprigth seller: yes 3" drop , stock brakes wont work with the up rights they wont bolt up with out clearance issues with the backing plate. is it possible to use drums ore not i really want to have my old brumbrakes and dropped uprights. Quote
Bmartin Posted February 9, 2017 Report Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) Not sure if it was here or the HAMB but there was a write up with pics of a guy who had two sets of stock uprights. He cut the kingpin boss off of one set and welded it up higher. Somehow used the other set for alignment. Hopefully you can search better than I can. Its up to you on whether or not you think welding to cast steel is safe. Of course this still may not solve your interference issue because I don't remember if he swapped to disc's or not. EDIT: Looks like it was olddaddy. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/reversing-the-uprights-on-1940-plymouth-coupe.125109/ Edited February 9, 2017 by Bmartin 2 Quote
jeff the jerk Posted February 23, 2017 Report Posted February 23, 2017 If you have an extra set of uprights cut the bosses off one put in a kingpin for alignment and weld it on then all you do is cut off the original bosses reassemble the suspension and bend your steering arm and thats the quickie version 1 Quote
martybose Posted February 23, 2017 Report Posted February 23, 2017 On 2/8/2017 at 1:09 PM, Pvnyhus said: I got this answer from a fatman uprigth seller: yes 3" drop , stock brakes wont work with the up rights they wont bolt up with out clearance issues with the backing plate. is it possible to use drums ore not i really want to have my old brumbrakes and dropped uprights. I tried this, and wound up with almost no steering at all. I actually took a grinder to the backing plates and cut slots in them to get some steering angle back, although not as much as stock. I ran the car that way for years until I finally wanted front disks to be able to stop better. I still have the cut backing plates if you would like to try them. Marty 1 Quote
Pvnyhus Posted June 15, 2017 Author Report Posted June 15, 2017 I have now byed this coil overs and wil try to replace the 850 spring. Only problem is to make a mount in the top for it... Quote
JOHN EDGE Posted June 16, 2017 Report Posted June 16, 2017 I install fatman uprights on my 52 and yes fatman states you must run disc brakes but I did a little work with the bolts and nuts and everything works great- the tie rod ends are very close to the tires- running coker wide whites on the stock rims- did some minor grinding to the tie rod end front end aligned- I did the relocation kit for the front shocks(improved the ride quality) - also installed eaton lowering springs in the front- got about 3 1/2 to 4 inch front drop- asked fatman why they state you must use disc brakes and their reply was the don't want to recommend altering anything with brakes. if you notice they don't sell any brakes stuff Quote
JOHN EDGE Posted June 16, 2017 Report Posted June 16, 2017 I've had no problem with turning radius or some of the other things people claim when they tried using the factory brakes with fatman dropped uprights 1 Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted June 16, 2017 Report Posted June 16, 2017 John, how long ago did you do the mod.......in the early offerings folks had trouble with the dropped spindles...it is my understanding that Fatman changed the drop specs and eliminated a lot of the issues associated with the upgrade. Quote
JOHN EDGE Posted June 16, 2017 Report Posted June 16, 2017 I bought them about 10 months ago- I talked to one of the guys in the shop at fatman in length and they seemed to want to avoid any issues with brakes and thats why they don't do any instuctions about installing brakes. talking to the brake guys they recommended they were a little ify about there conversion kits and exactly what all you'd need- I decided to go ahead and try and use the drum brakes(everything was new). I'm getting ready to do the 47 caddy with fatman dropped upright and they say the same thing use disc brakes so im going with drums if I can. back in the 50's and 60's I saw many uprights switched from left to right and turned upside down/ some home made and fatman is just a made piece with the mounting piece raised Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted June 16, 2017 Report Posted June 16, 2017 I have heard number folks say swap spindle and invert but I can not see this working on any car with unequal A-arms...there is 3/4 inches difference in the cant of the Mopar to deal with when inverted.. Quote
JOHN EDGE Posted June 16, 2017 Report Posted June 16, 2017 your correct- I believe early ford could be done Quote
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