scottyv47 Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 anyone know offhand if my motor (51 217) will handle the big holley 2 barrel like on 360 and 383, i can buy one cheap brand new, without any motor work besides new intake, and set of tube headers, my carb leaks like a siv, and my exhaust manifold is cracked all the way around, and if i'm switching out intake and exhaust, i might as well modernize my carb, i plan on running duals with flowmaster 40's also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 you will need one heck of a deep breathing cam and upgraded everything to take advange of this CFM and even at that, finding jets for the lowly CI you sucking with..be tough all around.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyv47 Posted June 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 whats the best carb for reliability on this motor stock, i just figured more modern would be better, not trying to look cool, or have a hotrod, just want it to start right up, and drive 50 miles without constant tuning, and alot of hassles, how about the small 318 2 barrel ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 some folks will look to the slant six carb to adapt for a carb of newer design/build and it is right there in the CI aspect of your application..even with this you may have adapter and linkage nightmares.... I have one engine here on a recent acquired vehicle that has this set up..have not paid it any real attention as it was bought as a parts car... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48mirage Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 I've got a holley 94 that was put on a 56 Ford running a 272 v8 pretty easy setup. You might also look into a 2 barrel carb for the slant 6 motors. I'm thinking that there was one with a 2 barrel. You might want to look up the 1977-1983 Super Six. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty O'Toole Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 Get the original carb rebuilt and save your money and time. Nothing else you can buy will work as well, or be easier or cheaper. And don't try to hop up your motor unless you rebuild it first, or unless it was rebuilt within the last 20000 or 30000 miles. An old motor will often run for years if you take care of it but if you try to hop it up, it will blow sky high in a month or 2. I have seen this happen more than once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg g Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 the original 2bbl that was optional on the 56 230 was a BBD. There is a similar one by Holley I think that was sold to replace the similar one on later Jeep 4.2 6cyl engine. http://www.carbkitsource.com/carbs/tech/Carter/BBD-index.html It was similar to the ones used on Mopar 273 and 318. If you could find one for the 273 you would probably be ok drivability wise as they flow about the same as the 2 standard carters that a lot of us are using for dual setups. The one for the Jeep might be to large for the 3.4 L /218 flathead. Some /6 engines also had a 2bbl option and used the same series carb, so there might be those or their aftermarket equivelent out there also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconvan Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 I've got a Holley 350 two barrel with #61 jets on a stock 218 with an HEI ignition; runs like a champ and the plugs burn clean. Starts right up everytime with no choke. I bought an adaptor plate to go from a 1 barrel chevy intake to a Holley two barrel and just redrilled one of the holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyv47 Posted June 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 like i said i'm not trying to build a hotrod, i dont necisarily need a 2 barrel, i justknow the ones on 318s are awsome and run forever without doing anything to them, like i was telling tim, i'm a diehard mopar guy, and know more about 60's-70's mopars than just about anyone, i know very little about the oldie's, my carb leaks like a siv, so i figured i would upgrade, but from what i've heard its a very good carb, so i guess i'll try and rebuild it, or look for a new or rebuilt one, the reason i was going for headers, my exhaust manifold is cracked all the way around, plus i've heard lots of bad things about that heat flapper, so i figured i would eliminate it all together, and i guess i'll switch to hei distributor, i live in the back woods in ga, and all the cruise ins andshows are at least 30 to 50 miles from me, my main objective is to have a car i can start up and drive to anywhere, and not break down for silly things like burnt points or carb issues, i just want something reliable, i know thats not easy with any old car, but thatsmy goal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyv47 Posted June 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 heres a few of inside, a little worn, but cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconvan Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 (edited) I had same the same issues; I couldnt get the original one to run right even with all new parts. The Holley's were dirt cheap and super easy to work on so it turned out good. Im not much of a believer in trying to hot rod a 218, either; just have a nice cruiser. HEI will definitley help your cause. Nice looking car! Edited June 14, 2012 by falconvan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyv47 Posted June 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 how did you build your linkage, is there a kit, i like the holley idea like yours, but think i'll go with the holley that came on 360's 383's and 400's, you can still buy them new at advance auto for $180, as long as you say its for a 75 cordoba, learned that when i was looking for a new one for my 68 newport 383, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconvan Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 I ditched the linkage and got an accelerator pedal assembly, intake cable bracket, and cable from a late 80's 4.3 S10 from the boneyard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyv47 Posted June 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 cool, i just looked on the net and the holley 2245 from cordoba is also 350 cfm so it should work out just like yours (i hope), and langdons has carb adaptor, and hei, and reds has headers, so i might be in business, it would be nice, cause she runs like a dog now, with gas pouring out side of carb, and no back presure in the exhaust, thanks everyone for the help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg g Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 gas pouring out the carb sounds like a float and needle and seat problem. Easily fixed. Where is the carb leaking? top of the Float Bown or around the trottle pivot. Both indicate a too high float level or an inop (as in not closing) needle valve. A little piee of rust in the assy can keep it from closing all the way leading to carb leaking problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Coatney Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 i live in the back woods in ga, and all the cruise ins andshows are at least 30 to 50 miles from me, my main objective is to have a car i can start up and drive to anywhere, and not break down for silly things like burnt points or carb issues, i just want something reliable, i know thats not easy with any old car, but thatsmy goal I have a flathead 6 engine that uses dual points, and dual B&B carburetors. I have driven from middle Tennessee to Tulsa, Detroit, Washington DC, and to the bowels of Georgia (sorry Tim) to name a few places with no reliability issues. Any suggestions on where else I should drive to in search of silly reliability issues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40P10touring sedan Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 I've had a few late 60s and early 70 mopars...and just a handleful of others...any old car wether it be 10yrs old or 110yrs old will need some TLC from time to time. Any time a carb overflows it's likely the needle and seat...an easy fix. Reliablility is how you set it...if you rebuild a bad or questionable carb to specs, it'll be reliable again. Same thing with brakes or any other aspect...honestly, you could swap out to another carb, sure, but what happens when it starts pouring out gas....rebuild! You can do this, and if theres any question in your mind simply ask here...there are no dumb questions as we all can learn something sometime...once in a very blue moon one may get a questionable answer, but I think that's just me lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40P10touring sedan Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 ... Any suggestions on where else I should drive to in search of silly reliability issues? Yeah, come up here and see Lee and I...leave the flag at home! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 I have a flathead 6 engine that uses dual points, and dual B&B carburetors. I have driven from middle Tennessee to Tulsa, Detroit, Washington DC, and to the bowels of Georgia (sorry Tim) to name a few places with no reliability issues. Any suggestions on where else I should drive to in search of silly reliability issues? Chris and Jerry just got back from a journey on the Ice Road...granted they did a new rebuild before that trip but the ole girl made a circuit along the Can/Us border and then on down the east coast, a slide through souther US and back to Canada..they did not even run radials.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconvan Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 cool, i just looked on the net and the holley 2245 from cordoba is also 350 cfm so it should work out just like yours (i hope), and langdons has carb adaptor, and hei, and reds has headers, so i might be in business, it would be nice, cause she runs like a dog now, with gas pouring out side of carb, and no back presure in the exhaust, thanks everyone for the help Sounds like a great setup; I think you'll like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyv47 Posted June 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 i have no doubt in my mind i can rebuild the old one, i've owned just under 300 mopars now, and restored half of them, and done countless motor/trans/rear swaps and everything else, but even if i rebuild the old one, its still "the old one" i would much rather have a new more modern, more reliable carb, thanks for all the info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 WOW..not an attack mind you but a observation, but to have restored by your admission, 150 cars..that is quite the acheivement in anyone's eye...now say I give you the current age of 60..subtract the age of 15 as a reasonable start to your accomplishments that would have you turning out a restored vehicle ever 3.6 months..my hat is off to you...I wish I had you energy and no other life events detracting me from the pursuit of this hobby.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyv47 Posted June 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 i admit i didn't fully restore alot of them, some i just painted, some i just put motor/trans in, some just interior work, but they all needed some type of resto work, i've have many that i did full resto's, including hanging quarters, fenders, roofs, and lots other stuff, and i'm 45, not 60, but my father used to race mopars so i started turning wrenches at 3 or 4, built my first car, 65 satellite when i was 13, then i sold it to my father before i even got to drive it, (legaly) at 14, there were many drives up and down the side street i lived on, then i bought a 66 belvedere from a guy up the street, and restored it, that was my first driver, and it was like a disease, there were some weeks when i bought or traded 7 or 8 mopars in the same week, my isurance guy hated me, but never dropped me, had the same company for 15 years, he used to just start laughing when i called, man i kick myself in the *** now, wishing i even had one of those cars, i had gtx's roadrunners, chargers challengers, cudas, ramchargers, snow commanders, you name it i had it, the good the bad, and the ugly, i'll tell you one of the cars that always stands out was my 73/74 plodge vart, my great gramma vreeland bought the car new, then slammed it into a tree when she got alittle old to drive, it was a 74 dart custom 4 door slant six, metalic blue with blue int, it needed a nose, couldnt find one anywhere, so i took the nose off a 73 valiant i had, then took it and had it repainted, said plymouth on the front, and dodge on the back, but looked like it came from the factory that way, man i had some good times in that car till the a frames rotted out, and i drove it to the bone yard, and they gave me $75 for it, and it still looked like a brand new car, until you looked under it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyv47 Posted June 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 hey tim i never did here back about those front lenses, i realy need all 4, back are busted to pieces and fronts are completely fogged and cracked, give me a price on all 4, maybe i'll take a ride down and get them, if not my zip is 30668 if you can tell me shipping also, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyv47 Posted June 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 i also just found a guy who sells reman bbr-1's, along with many others, so looks like i'll put an original back on, and save all the fab work for linkage and stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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