48 Dodge parts car?

[thrashingcows]

I went to look at a parts car today. Guy says it's a 48 Dodge, but I think it's a plymouth. He says he has all the rest of the dash and trim in the shop...he wasn't there in person to show me...but from looking at the fenders and body I think it's plymouth.

Here's some pics...

Guys asking $250 for everything. I need some suspension and other part for the Desoto.

Thoughts and comments welcome....

[Roadkingcoupe]

I went to look at a parts car today. Guy says it's a 48 Dodge, but I think it's a plymouth. He says he has all the rest of the dash and trim in the shop...he wasn't there in person to show me...but from looking at the fenders and body I think it's plymouth.

Guys asking $250 for everything. I need some suspension and other part for the Desoto.

Thoughts and comments welcome....

In the pictures almost every identifying part is missing. Serial #? would help. If it is a CDN 1946-1948 Dodge it would be a D25.

However:

If the car is in Canada it probably is a Plodge (Canadian built Plymouth bodied Dodge). However the running gear (brakes/suspension/front end parts) are not shared with the DeSoto.

If I remember correctly the brakes are an inch larger on the DeSoto and the front end parts are shared with the Chrysler and possibly some of the "BIG" Dodges.

Edited December 13, 2010 by Roadkingcoupe
additional info

[Frank Elder]

Nothing, almost nothing will swap from a D25 plymouth bodied dodge, to your desoto.

No windows, doors, hood or trunklid, definately not the suspension also I would be surprised if any of the trim would fit either.

[BobT-47P15]

It looks like a Plymouth P15, but might be a Canadian Dodge.

Doubt any parts except the trunk handle would fit a DeSoto.

[Roadkingcoupe]

The photo shows the P15 Steering wheel fitted with a "Dodge" center. In addition the trunk light assembly looks like the P15 but has "Dodge" lettering as well.

[thrashingcows]

I was under the impression the Plymouth/Dodge/Desoto and Chryslers all used the same basic suspension pieces...I was incorrect?

[Roadkingcoupe]

I was under the impression the Plymouth/Dodge/Desoto and Chryslers all used the same basic suspension pieces...I was incorrect?

Plymouth and CDN Dodge's were junior cars to the big Chrysler and DeSoto's. Even the wheelbase was different. What is interesting is how the larger Chrysler bodies became a Plymouth body a couple of years later.

[tinlizzy]

Hey man if that is a parts car and he has all the parts I'd jump on it. Looks real solid to me. Ones I have looked at are a lot worse and price is a lot higher.

Lee

[Young Ed]

Heck looks solid enough to fix. Yes its a plymouth or canadian dodge.

[RobertKB]

That is definitely a Canadian Dodge D25. Easiest way to tell is the larger hole for the parking lights in the fender than a P15 has. Same car and body as this parts car I have which is now mostly picked over (see first picture). $250 is not a bad price and you could make it back many times over in parts. Below is a picture of the same car and model - four door. Virtually nothing body wise will be useable on your Desoto. Some mechanical parts may be OK to use. Incidentally, the picture you show of the steering wheel is my car, 1948 Dodge D25 Club coupe. Dash I painted grey about 30 years ago and should be wood grained but probably never will be. I am just in the process of putting everything back together a second time after a badly needed repaint. It was always a 20 footer but will now be better looking closer up.

My coupe

After repaint

Edited December 14, 2010 by RobertKB

[thrashingcows]

Well thanks for the info and comments guys...appreciate it.

Now to try and decide if I really need it. Will think on it for a few days. Parting it out would be easy since all the work is already done. Just a few bolts to drop the suspension front and rear and I'd be done.

[Frank Elder]

The plymouth body is smaller in all dimmensions than the desoto, I don't think the suspensions will work. Probably too narrow to fit correctly. At least I've never heard of anyone on here swapping plymouth underpinnings to the bigger desoto bodies.

[thrashingcows]

The plymouth body is smaller in all dimensions than the desoto, I don't think the suspensions will work. Probably too narrow to fit correctly. At least I've never heard of anyone on here swapping plymouth underpinnings to the bigger desoto bodies.

I thought the individual components, control arms and such were the same?

[james curl]

I have a 48 Plymouth and 41 Dodge suspension parts are the same and also a 51 Dodge that appears to be the same. The frame dimensions are different allowing the engineer to use the same suspension components, with the exception of the front spindles and brakes which were larger on the big cars thus requiring different spindles for the upper attaching point. If someone here has access to a "Rare Parts Catalog" or a "Moog Catalog" they could check part numbers. Anyone have a "Hollanders Interchange Manual" on the forum that could look it up?

Edited December 14, 2010 by james curl
correct spelling of Moog

[thrashingcows]

I have a 48 Plymouth and 41 Dodge suspension parts are the same and also a 51 Dodge that appears to be the same. The frame dimensions are different allowing the engineer to use the same suspension components, with the exception of the front spindles and brakes which were larger on the big cars thus requiring different spindles for the upper attaching point. If someone here has access to a "Rare Parts Catalog" or a "Moog Catalog" they could check part numbers. Anyone have a "Hollanders Interchange Manual" on the forum that could look it up?

That was my thought too....same components, just different wheel bases/track widths etc. Just makes sense from a business stand point, multiple uses for the same components = cheaper to manufacture.

[Young Ed]

Just makes sense from a business stand point, multiple uses for the same components = cheaper to manufacture.

Mopar doesn't always make sense. Look at the first generation hemi's for dodge desoto and chrysler that share virtually no parts. As you go up the price scale each hemi got slightly longer and bigger CI. Why they didnt make them all the same basic block and acomplish the CI with bore and stroke changes makes little sense.

[thrashingcows]

Mopar doesn't always make sense. Look at the first generation hemi's for dodge desoto and chrysler that share virtually no parts. As you go up the price scale each hemi got slightly longer and bigger CI. Why they didnt make them all the same basic block and acomplish the CI with bore and stroke changes makes little sense.

Good point.

Look at the interchangeability in the Chevy products of old....now there was some smart engineering.

[Roadkingcoupe]

If someone here has access to a "Rare Parts Catalog" or a "Moog Catalog" they could check part numbers. Anyone have a "Hollanders Interchange Manual" on the forum that could look it up?

With some additional research I am reminded.

The 1937-1939 Plymouth shares less with the 1937-1939 DeSoto. In 1948 there were more shared parts but the OEM parts book shows the the lower Control Arm, Brake Drums etc. as different.

Hollander Interchange:

Brake Drums

DeSoto 42-48 #115 Front #116 Rear

Plymouth 40-48 #100 Front #106 Rear

note: a D25 is a P15 with a Dodge facelift.

but I prefer this book:

The pages below were taken out of the original 1940-1947 Passenger Car Parts List Publication # WM 4205. The advantage of this parts book is that it lists ALL four...Plymouth Chrysler Dodge and DeSoto vehicles for the years covered (both US and Canadian built). For this conversation the two vehicles are a D25 and a S11 + the book stops at 1947 but would include 1948 and first series 1949.

The D25 is listed on LINE #16 the S11 is listed on LINE #20 and the P15 is on LINE #6. Reading left to right and then comparing the part #'s is the way to go.

For a larger picture "click" on the enlarged thumbnail and then use "control Ctrl" and + for further enlarging.

Edited December 17, 2010 by Roadkingcoupe

[james curl]

Yes in my reply I stated that the spindles and brakes were larger on the big cars. Charlie always exchanged spindles for the large cars with the bigger brakes for spindles from the Plymouth's because the only kits that he used to have fit the early spindles and the later Plymouth spindles. I believe several members here have changed to the Plymouth spindles in order to have disc brakes using Charlies original kits on their large cars.

[falconvan]

If it was three years ago I'd say jump on it. I made some good $$$ parting out three 47-50 Dodge/Plymouths on Ebay and was able to put that back into my own project. But when the economy tanked, so did my Ebay sales. Now the money you get for used parts seemed to have gone way down or they wont sell at all.

[thrashingcows]

Well I ended up buying the car today.

I'm making a listing in the classifieds if anyone is interested in anything. I'd rather sell the stuff cheap so someone gets some use out of it, then to try and squeeze a few extra nickels out of someone.

[Beatles65]

Would the Cars rear leaf springs fit on a 1946 Dodge like the one in the picture? I need some so I can move a car around easier. Its hard when you dont have a rear end under a car because of the lack of leaf springs!!! haha

Thanks!

From Nebraska,

Andrew.