aero3113 Posted October 2, 2009 Author Report Posted October 2, 2009 Not looking good. I thought it popped of but when I looked a bolt pulled out and bent the bolt and stripped it:mad:. Also the drum is bulged where this bolt was:mad:. I changed the puller to other holes. If this does not work I am SOL!!! Also once it is off I am going to need a new left rear drum. I have an extra for a right side can I use that? What do I do if this happens again? Quote
Norm's Coupe Posted October 2, 2009 Report Posted October 2, 2009 Not looking good. I thought it popped of but when I looked a bolt pulled out and bent the bolt and stripped it:mad:. Also the drum is bulged where this bolt was:mad:. I changed the puller to other holes. If this does not work I am SOL!!! Also once it is off I am going to need a new left rear drum. I have an extra for a right side can I use that? What do I do if this happens again? Sounds like that drum is shoot now. At least you have a spare. That said, look at the bright side. Even if you did or do break something like this, at least it's off and you can move on with fixing the car with a replacement part. If you never got it off, you'd never get it fixed. That's how I look at it when I run into problems with things like this. Quote
aero3113 Posted October 2, 2009 Author Report Posted October 2, 2009 Yea but what if this drum does not come off I cant use the car now that it is bent. Quote
Norm's Coupe Posted October 2, 2009 Report Posted October 2, 2009 If you can't get the bent drum off the right way, break it off. If you can't break it off without bending the axle, carefully cut it off without damaging the axle with a cut off wheel. It's shot anyway, so it doesn't matter how you get it off now. Even if you do end up damaging the axle, that can be replaced too. Quote
aero3113 Posted October 2, 2009 Author Report Posted October 2, 2009 What do you think if I heat it than shock it with cold water? Quote
Norm's Coupe Posted October 2, 2009 Report Posted October 2, 2009 When I removed my drums, I used both heat and the hammer on the puller. I only used a propane torch though, not a welding torch. Got the center part around the axle nice and hot, let it stand for a minute or two afterward, then hit the puller handle. Leave the castle nut on the end of the axle though. If you don't, the hub could come popping right off the axle, damaging the threads and possibly hit you. Leaving the castle nut on loose will prevent that from happening. Quote
aero3113 Posted October 2, 2009 Author Report Posted October 2, 2009 I started hammering again heard a loud pop, thought I had it and pulled another bolt out . Dont know what to do. Should I drill out the rivets and pull the drum off then cut the hub. or should I put the wheel back on and try to pop it off that way (I dont think that will work) or drive real slow to a near by auto shop and see if they can do anything. Quote
wayfarerstranger Posted October 2, 2009 Report Posted October 2, 2009 need you by any chance forget to remove the nut from the hub ?? i have removed a lot of rear drums and they always pop off with that puller . good luck . Quote
Jim Saraceno Posted October 2, 2009 Report Posted October 2, 2009 Man, that is one tough drum! I it were me, I think I'd hire a pro. Try to find a shop that has an old guy who's done these before. I wouldn't trust it to a chain store mechanic. Quote
Arthur1947 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Posted October 2, 2009 Too much heat can work against you and cause binding. I let mine soak in some oil penetrate for a couple days, just kept spraying it daily before I used the puller. You will definitely know when that sucker breaks loose for it will sound like a gun. Make sure you spray inside the hub as well. Best. ARTHUR Quote
kfxinsd007 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Posted October 2, 2009 Boy i can relate to you Arthur - Put the car on a dolly one day to go to a show in a neighboring town - right rear locked up - after a cool down period and a trailer change to get her back to town (after 2nd place in the show) tried to remove the drum as everyone else before me said in this tread. Did not have a hammer puller pictured earlier but had a similar type of puller so i rand the studs thru the puller into the hub and started tightening down on the end of the axle with a massive breaker bar and nothing. So my father said "put a cousin on it" so he goes and gets a 3 ft piece of pipe put it on the end and while my head was near the hub - Bang - Shotgun blast to the good old eardrum - after 20 or 30 minutes i could hear again. But the hub did come off. Good Luck Quote
aero3113 Posted October 2, 2009 Author Report Posted October 2, 2009 I just hope I can get the bolts to tighten up after they pulled out to reuse the puller. I need the night to try and cool down and relax. I am so FRUSTRATED . If you guys have any more input please let me know. Quote
JerseyHarold Posted October 2, 2009 Report Posted October 2, 2009 If you can get the drum off the hub, you should then have enough access to the retaining bolts to pull the whole axle out and take it to a machine shop. They might be able to press the hub off the axle and then you can replace the drum. Quote
mikesinky Posted October 2, 2009 Report Posted October 2, 2009 mine was very hard to get off also even with heat and a puller. cut the rivets off or even the drum, its shot anyway. the brake shoes had came off the liners and had it fouled up. i adjusted it down as far as i could and cut the drum off got it pried off and just had the threaded part left. put the puller on applied heat hit it about three times came off fairly easy. good luck finding a drum it took me forever to find another one. Quote
aero3113 Posted October 2, 2009 Author Report Posted October 2, 2009 If I drill out the rivets will the drum come right off of the hub? Then I would be able to unbolt the backing plate, axle and hub at the same time? If this is true I know a great machine shop that can press the axle right out. Quote
mikesinky Posted October 3, 2009 Report Posted October 3, 2009 If I drill out the rivets will the drum come right off of the hub? Then I would be able to unbolt the backing plate, axle and hub at the same time? If this is true I know a great machine shop that can press the axle right out. yeah but i would just use a grinder to grind them off or a cutoff wheel its alot easier. but if you dont take the hub off you cant get the backing plate off. just heat the hub front and back when you get the drum off with a cutting torch and guarantee it will come off with the puller. Quote
aero3113 Posted October 3, 2009 Author Report Posted October 3, 2009 Are you sure? It seems like there would be enough room to get the backing plate off with the hub on once the drum is off. Maybe with some crows feet or universal sockets? If this can be done is there a special puller to get the axle out or will it just pull out once the backing plate is off. Quote
aero3113 Posted October 3, 2009 Author Report Posted October 3, 2009 Scroll down to the bottom page of this link and look at the pic of the drum off the axle and the nuts on the backing plate. I looks like there would be enough room for me to get the nuts. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=397345&page=2 Quote
aero3113 Posted October 3, 2009 Author Report Posted October 3, 2009 I just looked through the lug holes in the drum and can see the nuts that hold on the back plate. There is plenty of room to take the nuts off with the hub on. Now all I need to know is if the axle will pull out with the back plate and hub together? Quote
aero3113 Posted October 3, 2009 Author Report Posted October 3, 2009 Robert thanks, that's what I wanted to hear:). Hopefully it will not be to hard to get the rivets off the drum and unbolt the back plate:o. Quote
mikesinky Posted October 3, 2009 Report Posted October 3, 2009 you can get the nuts off the backing plate but it wont come over the hub. if you heat both ends of the hub when you get the drum off it will come off easy. where it s a tappered axle the back part of the hub is whats holding it. Quote
aero3113 Posted October 3, 2009 Author Report Posted October 3, 2009 (edited) yes the back plate will not pull over the hub but once it is unbolted everything should pull off. Hub Backing plate and axle as one assembly. Right? Edited October 3, 2009 by aero3113 Quote
RobertKB Posted October 3, 2009 Report Posted October 3, 2009 Yes. Good luck! There are some good threads, if you search, on how to pull the axle. However, if you can't find them, just ask. Quote
aero3113 Posted October 3, 2009 Author Report Posted October 3, 2009 Is there a special tool to pull the axle? Quote
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