WatchingWolf Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 Question 1: Will a standard 3 speed from a 51 Chrysler have the same dimensions and bolt up points as my missing 1950 (115" wheelbase) Wayfarer D33 fluid drive 3 speed transmission? Question 2: Are the short input shaft (non fluid drive) and long input shaft (fluid drive) easy to visually tell apart, and if so how? Without measuring of course. Question 3: Did Dodge have a nonfluid 3 speed available for the 1950 model year that used a dry clutch setup? Quote
billwillard Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 Nate, I have a rebuilt overdrive that I pd 900 bucks for still in the shipping box that I bought 4 yrs ago and have never used and guess I never will. Not that it would do you any good because I think the bell housing is different. Don't know much about the fluid drive units. Bill Quote
PatS.... Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 Question 1: Will a standard 3 speed from a 51 Chrysler have the same dimensions and bolt up points as my missing 1950 (115" wheelbase) Wayfarer D33 fluid drive 3 speed transmission?Most likely Question 2: Are the short input shaft (non fluid drive) and long input shaft (fluid drive) easy to visually tell apart, and if so how? Without measuring of course. Measuring is the only way to be sure Question 3: Did Dodge have a nonfluid 3 speed available for the 1950 model year that used a dry clutch setup? I'm pretty sure there was a dry clutch on the Dodge for 1950. Fred's Chrysler (Rockwood) has a dry clutch in place of the stock Fluid Drive on his Chrysler. It's and relatively easy swap once you collect the bits and pieces (flywheel, clutch, bellhousing, and linkage). There are also adapters to put other automatic and standard transmissions behind the flathead. What is it you are trying to accomplish??? This is the Fluid Drive and 3 speed standard that came out of my 1949 Chrysler Royal...I'm sure 1950 was identical. Quote
Young Ed Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 Pat he's got a short wheelbase car. They used a shorter tranny then what you pictured. Basically they have no tail section. Quote
PatS.... Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 Ed, aren't the tailsections removeable/swapable? Or if that's all he can find, then he would only have to get a driveshaft made, right? The transmission itself should be fine for his car. Quote
Young Ed Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 I'm not sure if you can swap the tail sections. There are 1-2 of these stubby plymouth trannies up north in the parts Dad has. I will have to check one out next time I make it up there. If you used a long one you might end up with 2 steep of a pinion angle. Not sure if it would change it enough to cause issues. Quote
WatchingWolf Posted April 1, 2009 Author Report Posted April 1, 2009 Young Ed, can you tell me by looking if this is the correct transmission? Most importantly, is the input shaft correct for fluid drive? Wolf Quote
1949P17BC Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 All, at first glance it looks like the same size transmission (3 Speed) out of my 49 Plym Business coupe. If so I would consider selling it Quote
Young Ed Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 Wolf that one looks like the Ply version to me. I think yours should be longer. And yes that would be what a 49 business coupe tranny would look like. Quote
WatchingWolf Posted April 1, 2009 Author Report Posted April 1, 2009 Wolf that one looks like the Ply version to me. I think yours should be longer. And yes that would be what a 49 business coupe tranny would look like. Thanks, that one is currently on Epay and they claim it is out of a 51 Chrysler, but don't say if it is fluid or not. Quote
BobT-47P15 Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 Did they offer anything BUT fluid drive in a 51 Chrysler??? Quote
Young Ed Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 Not sure Bob I'm kinda surprised that Chrysler would have a short wheelbase car too. Of course the only real way to know it so measure but I don't have any trans handy to measure Quote
theDyls3 Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 That transmission looks a whole lot like the 3-speed manual transmission I have in my 53 Dodge truck, and it's my understanding that fluid drives are automatics. Quote
BobT-47P15 Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 He's talking about putting a transmission in his 50 Dodge Wayfarer. That probably is a short wheelbase car, is it not?? And it originally came with fluid drive....probably 3 speed std shift. A Chrysler would likely be a longer wheelbase, longer trans etc. All Chryslers probably were fluid drive..... Therefore, a Chrysler fluid drive item would maybe not fit this Dodge. Fluid drives are not necessarily automatics.......they are just a fluid coupling to the transmission. I had a 52 Dodge years ago with 3 speed stick & fluid drive. Also a 47 Dodge. I can't recall the various comments on some posts not long ago......but my comment was that I used a 1950 Dodge engine (which has a crankshaft with 8 holes in the back end to join with fluid drive) --- but used 4 bolts and nuts to attach it to my 3 speed standard with regular clutch in my 47 Plymouth. Did not have to change driveshaft or anything.....worked just fine. Just need good grade 8 bolts to attach the flywheel. Maybe that would work here. Did not have to change any input shafts or anything at all. No running gear at all left in that old coupe in the woods????? Quote
greg g Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 Well I guess I need to share some responsibilities for your troubles. It was after all me that sold and shipped you the trans from the 48 Dodge (with the longer fluid drive input shaft) I was certainly not aware the 49 could be that much different in length and set up. Is it possible to mount the one you have and then modify the drive shaft? Or does the longer tailpiece interfere with other cassis parts??? I Apologize for not realizing the piece was not proper for the application. If you can shorten the driveshaft maybe you can get the thing going. I would take it back and refund your costs but the shipping was the majority of the deal. Maybe you can sell the 48 trans to some one on the board who needs one. Quote
WatchingWolf Posted April 1, 2009 Author Report Posted April 1, 2009 Well I guess I need to share some responsibilities for your troubles. It was after all me that sold and shipped you the trans from the 48 Dodge (with the longer fluid drive input shaft) I was certainly not aware the 49 could be that much different in length and set up. Is it possible to mount the one you have and then modify the drive shaft? Or does the longer tailpiece interfere with other cassis parts??? I Apologize for not realizing the piece was not proper for the application. If you can shorten the driveshaft maybe you can get the thing going. I would take it back and refund your costs but the shipping was the majority of the deal. Maybe you can sell the 48 trans to some one on the board who needs one. Greg, I do not and never will lay any blame on you for this. It was not until I had the car up in the air that I found the transmission to be too long. How could you have known? Nearest place that can do a drive shaft shorten is 100 miles away so if I can avoid this I really want to. The speedo cable would also be too short. BobT-47, The coupe is stripped of drive train, plus my 50 Wayfarer is an uncut 22,000 mile car, I really don't want to do hack job just to get it rolling. If I cut, it will be to update, not just to make something else work. I have nothing but time. (I'm still young, can't you tell?) Quote
Young Ed Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 Wolf I believe Dad has one of the shorty trans but it would be a non fluid drive version. If you are lucky and your long fluid drive trans has the same syncro type they could be combined. The shorty can be in either the twin cities or Danbury WI. Near either of those? Quote
greg g Posted April 2, 2009 Report Posted April 2, 2009 betcha if you asked nice and bought dinner Ed would meet ya half way...... Quote
billwillard Posted April 2, 2009 Report Posted April 2, 2009 Sold the man the wrong trans? Greg your always starting trouble. Bill Quote
BobT-47P15 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Posted April 2, 2009 Nate, just for info.......anything I mentioned about using a different type of flywheel, trans, etc from Plymouth is simply a modification of the clutch and transmision setup......no cutting necessary. My point about the coupe in the woods was.......did it perchance still have the trans or driveshaft left that you might possibly use. I've had those Dodge engine (also a 23 inch block) with Plymouth transmission setups in my convert, which I definitely would not cut on. They just fit right in. Now, trying to install a DeSoto or Chrysler engine (25" block) in a Plym or Dodge would require some modifications.....but that's not the topic here. So, are you trying to keep a fluid drive system, or trying to do away with that, and go to a standard dry clutch arrangement? That should determine what aproach you take.....and what trans, etc is needed. You may be young, but you've come to a good place where some of these "experienced" fellows know lotsa stuff. Just be patient and keep after it, and you'll eventually have the problem solved. It's not always quick and easy. Quote
WatchingWolf Posted April 3, 2009 Author Report Posted April 3, 2009 Ideally, I want to find the correct transmission: A fluid drive (long input) 3 speed with a short tail shaft and functioning parking brake. Section option would be a bolt in setup that would allow me to ultimately go back to original. Quote
PatS.... Posted April 3, 2009 Report Posted April 3, 2009 If you want to go to the M6 Electrically shifted semi-auto, I have one the same as this one...you would only need the carb to go with it and the wiring. Quote
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